The Ruler is Back

Huge news this afternoon. Big time games last night. Big time game tonight. And, some Michigan chatter.

Tiger is returning for The Master’s. We saw it first on Brobible.

Editor’s note: BroBible is a special website. End of Editor’s Note.

Last Night Scores

CSU 13 Arizona 8

The Rams used a 7-2 second half run to put away the Wildcats and improve to 7-0. Cooper Kehoe has stepped up as not only the Rams best player but also a force on the national stage which they haven’t had for the past few seasons. He’s chipped in 36 points against good competition.

Chapman 12 Texas 5

Chapman’s 5-0 1st quarter was all they needed to improve to 8-0. Not sure many people expected Texas to upset Chapman but I will say this, what they did to Florida State is going to make teams nervous when the Longhorns arrive in Denver. They will be a tough out.

Arizona State 10 Duluth 9

Duluth drops their first game of the season while Arizona State rebounds. Had to have been tough on Duluth to be two weeks removed from their last game against Wisconsin Milwaukee to then face a top 10 team.

IVY vs. PUBLIC IVY

Here’s the deal.

I started playing lacrosse because of Princeton.

The first college I ever cheered for was Duke thanks to Bobby Hurley and Coach K.

Combine our love for Princeton lacrosse and our disdain for North Carolina, add in two undefeated teams, add in two programs that have been born again overnight (more so UNC), add in the fact that my ex girlfriend is going to UNC for grad school, add in the fact that the game is at 7pm while I’ll be in night class, and you can see why I’m slightly worked up.

I’ve been able to watch North Carolina and Princeton on television twice.

North Carolina pounded Navy and Duke.

Princeton was in nail biters with Hofstra and Hopkins.

North Carolina is in year two of the Breschi regime.

Princeton is in year one of the Bates era.

Because the best defender in the country, Chad Wiedmaier, is out for Princeton, my guess is that North Carolina has an advantage headed into this game. Jeremy Hirsch or even former Florida football recruit John Cunningham will draw the Bitter assignment.

Having watched Bitter, he is a counter punch dodger. Last year, I watched Danny Gladding dodge from X using a spilt right into a roll which would free his hands for a shot coming around GLE.

Bitter doesn’t neccessarily go right to the goal. As color commentary man Quint Kessenich mentioned repeatedly, Bitter takes his defender out to a wing and waits for an over play.

Then his blinding Manhasset/Deerfield speed takes control and he has a dunk against the goalie. If a slide comes, he’s feeding to Thomas Wood. Last year, Breschi called Wood the best shooter on the team…as a freshman. This year, Quint has alluded to Wood as being the most improved Tar Heel. Maybe that’s why Wood scored 5 against Duke.

My contention is that if a talented Princeton defender can play Bitter straight up, things might be a little more difficult. But with Wiedmaier out or returning from injury at best today, the country won’t get to see how talented Bitter really is or isn’t and Princeton will likely fall.

How can Princeton win?

Tyler Fiorito, perhaps the best goalie in the country, has a great game. He’s significantly better than any of the UNC netminders who worked through a controversy/position battle to start the season.

Duke’s offense was stagnant against the Tar Heels. No off ball movement makes things exceptionally easy for a defense with poles ranging from 6’2″ to 6’5″. The good news for Princeton is their offense is predicated on the two man game, specifically the off ball two man game thanks to the hybrid box system Bates has installed. This motion offense will be something brand new to UNC and could be a first half advantage until the defense and coaches adjust.

North Carolina wins if:

1. They prevent midfield scoring, as they did against Duke. Preventing dodges from the midfield, forces the ball to work through the attack and Tar Heel poles will be able to pin their ears back on the McBrides.

2. Someone not named Bitter or Sean Delaney chip in. See Wood, Gavin Petracca, or Cryder Dipietro. Bitter and Delaney don’t need assistance as both will tally their points and are likely first team AA, but if another player gets involved like the third attackman or a second line midfielder, then the Tar Heels will pull away with secondary scoring in the second half.

3. Chris Madalon saves 50% or better. The 6’3 195 Darien product has great size to go along with a great pedigree (63-4 as a starter in high school).  Madalon was 50% against Duke including a “how do you like your turkey…stuffed!” save against Josh Offit on the crease. And maybe his 61% season save percentage is skewed by the great defense and even better offense he plays behind, but 50% on the road in the biggest game of your career, in the program’s biggest game in years, is no laughing matter. Why did we pick 50%? Fiorito posted 44% games against Hopkins and Hofstra. If Madalon equals or surpasses Fiorito, North Carolina wins easily.

Princeton wins if:

1. Jeff Froccaro plays like he did against Hofstra and Hopkins in which he was more than capable at the face off X and scored 7 goals. In the last two games, he’s only scored 1 despite having a shooting percentage of 72.7%.

2. They limit transition goals. They gave up a lot to Hofstra and their attack combined for 8 goals and 5 assists. Not only is North Carolina’s attack is better but they have better middies and poles. Forcing the Heels to play settled 6 on 6 against their defense is a huge win for Princeton.

3. Jack McBride shows up against the UNC defense who has shown they can stop a talented player who isn’t giving 100% (See Ned Crotty held pointless). The major difference between Crotty and McBride is their playing style. Crotty is the flashy USA team member who as Coach Danowski alluded to, in regards to all of his 5th year players, may  have checked out mentally. McBride is 195 pound bull who plays simple.

Prediction:

Too many things are going right for North Carolina for me to pick against them but my heart is pulling for a Princeton upset.

12-10 North Carolina

It’s unfortunate this game is not on ESPNU.

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Big Blue

Editor’s Note: Those Dunks are too pretty not use. My roommate stopped being a Michigan fan when they switched to Adidas. One of our favorite story to tell about his capacity to be a loyal fan. In his defense, he says, “I don’t like teams, I like players.” Back to LAX.

Yesterday, we had a nice discussion with a Wolverine fan regarding their future this season.

The fan believed that if they lose a game this regular season they will be a lock to win the title in Denver.

Our reaction: Fully agree that if they lose prior to Denver they’ll come back for blood and win a third title.

Having said that I don’t anticipate them dropping a game this year.

The Michigan fan then asked:   So, you think no reg season losses or no losses at all and 3rd championship in a row?

Despite talent, it is hard to go 3 years without a hiccup….no?

Our response: Wire to wire.

Too much next level talent. Dedicated coaches and administration.

Next level talent. Coach Paul has openly said they are in recruiting battles with the Ivy League.

What does that mean? Michigan is adding D1 caliber talent to their MCLA roster.

We have all heard about NCAA players transferring to the MCLA and the supposed super impact they are expected to make. In some cases, they have in some cases they haven’t. Some soft generalizations you can infer is that a player transfers from an NCAA program because they miss home, don’t like attending a small school, or perhaps most telling, they just aren’t that good.

Hate to pick on the Houghton boys at BYU again but they haven’t been scoring 10 goals a game as most people expected.

Here’s the difference. Michigan recruits year round. They know exactly who they are getting every fall ball and where they will fit in the team. They aren’t getting D1 burn out transfers who may or may not be interested in competing for time or doing extra work.

Editor’s note: We know Kevin Zorovich transferred from Marist. Wouldn’t you though? Bare with our filibuster writing style.

They are getting freshmen that turn down D1 looks. They who want to come to Michigan.

An MCLA team isn’t supposed to get Gilman’s starting goalie.

Michigan did.

BYU is a top 5 team. Michigan was missing 5 starters for that game. It was in Provo. And, freshman attackman Thomas Paras, all 6’1 190 pounds of him out of Cleveland, decided to score 4 times and chip in 3 assists.

The game plan against Michigan has been to force players other than Yealy to beat you.

Guess what, Michigan has those players. Michigan has freshmen that can beat you. Michigan has players that can step up when 5 starters are out and beat another top 5 team that is so unbelievable.

The Steelers were missing two defensive starters or 18% of the defense for most of this season. They lost five games in a row including overtime losses to Kansas City and Baltimore because they couldn’t protect a 4th quarter lead.

18% of the starting defense missing produces a 5 game losing streak.

Michigan is without 50% of their starters and they beat a top 5 team. Not Texas. Not Eastern Michigan. They beat BYU.

You think Kentucky is going to the Final Four without 50% of their starters?

Is that not next level talent enough for you?

Not to mention arguably the best coaching staff in the league.

You can’t really make the argument that elite coaches wouldn’t be as well respected if they didn’t have elite talent.

It’s not Phil Jackson’s fault. It’s not Joe Torre’s fault. They don’t sign the paychecks.

Neither does Coach Paul. In fact, he has to court players with high test scores who can afford to attend Michigan out of state.

He hasn’t lost a game in going on three years. He probably has figured out how to come from behind in the second half. He probably has figured out how to win games when a normal contributor isn’t effective. He probably has figured out how to keep his team from becoming complacent.

As for dedicated administration, the practice where the football team practices. The have access to NCAA Division 1 weightrooms.

They have a director of operations, a media relations contact, an athletic trainer, an equipment manager, two film and video people, a strength and conditioning coach, and four student managers.

Why do I think they are going to go wire to wire for a third straight season?

They simply have the best of everything you can have. Their isn’t one chink in their armor.

No one is even close.

Speaking of administrative support, have you seen their new building?

Not jealous about the thirty minute stair climb to the locker and the parent lounge seems like a throwaway without a bar.

However, why build this structure for a club team?

Why build this structure for a virtual varsity team?

Oh, we don’t know probably because they are going D1 soon and a lacrosse only building is friendly way to remind potential recruits how important the school considers the sport.

Think about it this way.

Schools that decide to offer lacrosse hire a coach one year in advance of their first season of competition. They have one year to recruit a roster of 20-40 kids if they are lucky and then they are off and running.

Schools are either adding lacrosse because its a growing sport or as a way to put more heads in dorm rooms.

Michigan already operates as an NCAA Division 3 team. Okay, an NCAA Division 3 team with a massive budget.  Players are offered no athletic scholarships, they are offered support from administration, and the coaches follow NCAA recruiting schedules.

Michigan lacrosse already exists. It’s not like if Florida State added lacrosse, we’d have to wait a year or two to see the Seminoles take the field.

The jump Michigan is preparing to make is from MCLA powerhouse to NCAA D1 powerhouse.

Please note, the word powerhouse was used twice.

They aren’t adding a team because the sport is popular or they want to fill beds.

They are going D1 because they feel they can win at the D1 level. That building suggests a commitment to the future of the program and a desire to compete from day 1. How many other schools have something like that?

What happens when Michigan can offer athletic scholarships?

They are already beating Division 1 teams in scrimmages with non scholarship players.

What happens when even more money is pumped into the program?

These questions will be answered shortly because they are going Division 1. It might be 2011. It might be 2012. The construction of this building is a warning sign to current Division 1 teams that Michigan is coming.

The next question will be, when do they win their first NCAA title.

Notes

@ConnorWilsonLAS’s Wesleyan Cardinals lost to Monclair State 10-8 yesterday, how does that happen?

Ithaca notches their first win of the season

Steve Downie was not suspended but instead fined $1000, is this real life? Downie will get another chance to take out Crosby March 31st


  • Anonymous

    Your argument is spot on. If UM was a NCAA D1 team today, they’d have a top 5 program from an administrative standpoint and I personally think that’s where great programs are made. If and when they make the jump I hope they keep Coach Paul, at the end of the video showing “coach paul’s office” I think is a good omen. Once again, that is the most apt description of the Michigan program I’ve read to date, something lacrosse teams can aspire to both NCAA and MCLA.

  • Anonymous

    i played against john cunningham in HS. total douche. so is his whole HS team. but none the less he is a damn good defenseman.

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Crave

    Gold star, sir.

    (Standing and clapping for this post)

  • http://centraliowalacrosse.sports.officelive.com/default.aspx Adam Edg

    I agree wholeheartedly with your opinions on Michigan. Considering the school’s history and reputation in every men’s sport and considering their MCLA program and the money that has been put into it, why do people honestly beleive that they are not looking at D1?
    As much as we hate their switch to Adidas, the fact that a total sponsorship of the lax team – down to the equipment – indicates that both the Trefoil and Blue have higher aspirations than “virtual varisty.” Not even Adidas’ previous darling Notre Dame has custom gloves, pads, and cleats for the lax team – the already NCAA D1 lax team – coming from Adidas. Everybody knows that Michigan is probably the biggest and best place to slap an athletic company’s logo if you want to increase sales and product awareness. Adidas is most likely banking on a Michigan jump to D1 as a way to properly announce that their lacrosse gear (as shoddy as it may be) has in fact arrived.
    You can bet your sweet ass that Blue will be a regular game of the week. On the Big 10 Network if nowhere else. You can already here the marketing and crowds for Michigan vs Ohio State playing lax – AT THE BIG HOUSE…
    And that building is gorgeous. How many current D1 programs outside of the usual contenders have something that is half as nice? The day is coming… And more will follow.

  • Guest

    Yet with everything they have, they are just 1 goal better than an ASU team that hadn’t played a meaningful game in over a year. 1 goal. With everything they have that other teams have no access to. 1 goal. How many MCLA programs have 2 full time coaches? I’d say 0. You think with 2 full time head coaches that ASU wins that game? No question. Michigan isn’t as talented as their results show. They take players and provide them the opportunity to be immersed in lacrosse and get DI support/time/commitment and play against a league of teams that are not afforded the same opportunity.

    Is that wrong? Hell no. Nice job JP and setting the bar high on what MCLA teams can aspire to. Anything less than undefeated seasons would be embarrassing for that program considering the competitive advantages they have on EVERY school in the MCLA.

    Now, when they go D1, will they be competitive. Probably eventually, but the team they have right now wouldn’t be competitive. All the restrictions that an NCAA team has on play days, practice time in the off-season, coaches hours, blah blah blah, Michigan doesn’t have to deal with. So do they sneak up on some teams in the preseason? Yeah they do. Congrats. BYU beat Air Force last year in preseason, but there is no questions that at the end of the year, or even in season that Air Force wins that game. Same with the Bellarmine this year.

    You cannot compare MCLA and NCAA teams linearly. There are too many things that factor into it.

    Michigan will eventually be a fantastic DI program. They have a great name, a fantastic school and a lot of draw for reasons other than Lacrosse. They won’t be competitive right off the bat.

    Everyone points to the BYU game as to how deep Michigan is. BYU was overrated. New coach, new players, new everything, of course they are not going to be ready in their 5th game of the year against Michigan even if it’s their backups. Anyone who thinks BYU is a top 3 team at the beginning of this season is fooling themselves. Come tournament time? We’ll see. BYU historically plays their best ball later in the season. (See last year losses to SFU, CU)

    Also, just curious. Who expected that 2 DI Defensive Middies were going to come in and score 10 goals a game? Pretty sure that most of the reasonably thinking world didn’t expect that. Especially after not playing lacrosse for 2 years.

    Now, having said all that, let’s circle the CSU game vs. Michigan. CSU is almost polar opposite in terms of school support. They acknowledge the team, but that is about the extent of it. Somehow (Due mostly to good coaching and strong player commitment) they have managed to stay near the top of the league.

    Classic David vs. Goliath, I’m pulling for David.

  • Anonymous

    Guest,
    JP draws no pay, nor does Ken B, for lax. Like other MCLA teams. Same re: trainers etc… – just folks committed. Like you say, anyone could choose that (they don’t – ASU included) Parents pay, just like in high school.

    You are correct about CSU game….but so were those who said watch out for ASU, SFU, BYU…yes, ASU was tight for ? reasons. And ASU had played within ’2 yeears’, though the hyperbole does inflate your argument.

    Paras gets 7 points against BYU….and then only gets mop up time in other games. Yeah, no talent. Yealy gets face locked for multiple games…and he still gets 20+ goals PLUS 8 other guys get multiple. Yeah, no talent and over rated. Previous FOGO dude (Kohlitz) gets MLL drafted in2009…and Reinhard comes in and dominates 70%+ anyway, and his backup wins 65%+. yeah, no talent.

    Well, ‘nuf said. Word is they had 500+ indoors at last home game vs SFU.

    Let’s see if David can hit Blue eye w/ a rock…though maybe Belzar Conehead is a better picture!

  • Guest

    Who are you comparing the talent to? DI or MCLA. I don’t think anyone would ever say they are not incredibly talented at the MCLA level. I don’t think they are D1 talent. All of those stats would go out the window against D1 opponents.

    Also, I said ASU hadn’t played a meaningful game in over a year. Still true.

    Regardless of who is paying their salary, they still have 2 full time head coaches funded by the program paid through the school. That isn’t in question. Their full time job is to coach the Michigan lacrosse team. Name another MCLA coach that can say that about his job?

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    Might be an interesting read for some from September 2000.

    ANN ARBOR, Mich. — University of Michigan Athletic Director Bill
    Martin announced today the formation of a tiered club sports system.
    Under the new system club teams that meet a newly established set of
    criteria can petition for elevation to “club varsity” status.

    Men’s rowing and men’s lacrosse have been confirmed as the first two
    club teams to be elevated, effective this fall. Both teams are coached
    by full-time coaches and their staffs, and compete against national
    competition. John Paul coaches the lacrosse team while Gregg Hartsuff
    coaches the men’s rowing team.

    The new system has been established to recognize and increase support
    for club sports teams that have reached a level of budget,
    organization and competition that is similar to varsity levels. Club
    varsity squads are not necessarily closer to being elevated to full
    varsity status, and will remain for the time being primarily
    self-funded and administered through the Department of Recreational
    Sports. However, the designation will give these teams a closer
    relationship to the U-M athletic department.

    After a one-year trial run with rowing and lacrosse, every
    intercollegiate club sport will have the opportunity to petition for
    club varsity status. Each team’s eligibility and acceptance will be
    based on a set of criteria that includes budget, coaching, scheduling,
    practice time and student-athlete eligibility. Several women’s club
    teams, including ice hockey and figure skating, have been identified
    as possible candidates in 2001.

    The men’s rowing team was established in 1976 and has been nationally
    competitive with primarily walk-on athletes. This past season men’s
    rowing finished ninth of the 45 programs at the Intercollegiate Rowing
    Association (IRA) National Championships. Michigan was one of only two
    club programs to finish in the top 20 in 2000. Collegiate men’s rowing
    is governed by the IRA, which has determined club sports can compete
    if they follow the version of the NCAA rules that the IRA adopts. For
    the past four years the Michigan men have been the highest placing
    club at the IRA’s, and have defeated many fully supported varsity
    programs. Several Michigan men’s rowers have gone on to represent the
    United States in international competition, most recently 2000
    graduate Steve Warner, who won a gold medal in the World Championships
    in August.

    The men’s lacrosse team, which was established in 1965, draws many
    players who were recruited by varsity programs out of high school but
    choose Michigan for its combination of academic and athletic
    strengths. The team competes against other similar “virtual varsity”
    club teams in the United States Lacrosse Intercollegiate Associates.
    Last year, men’s lacrosse compiled a 20-6 record en route to a
    fifth-place national ranking and a one-goal loss in the national
    quarterfinals. The lacrosse team’s home field is Oosterbaan
    Fieldhouse, where it regularly draws between 300-1,000 fans for home
    games.

    Men’s lacrosse head coach John Paul expressed excitement over the
    changes. “We’ve been pushing for this for some time, so it’s
    gratifying to see that our guys will finally be recognized for all the
    hard work they put in. They work so hard on the field and in the
    classroom to represent Michigan well. It’s great to see the University
    acknowledge that dedication.”

  • Anonymous

    G,
    Gotta love you staying on message!
    So….your EXACT words re: ASU were “not playing lacrosse for 2 years.” Right from your post…now its “meaningful” and ” one year”. No one played a meaningful game for 8 months either!
    JP does not get paid. Period. “Full time” absent pay is volunteer – an opportunity available everywhere in MCLA.
    Re: talent – my read is RIGHT NOW Blue beats unranked D1 team….think Penn State as one. Beat them. You are right – not a 19-2 game, and Yealy (or Ein, or McIntrye, or Paras) won’t get 6, but the team will beat them. Not bad. I now await the D1 folks saying “You guys just don’t know” – what else could you say. Of course one MCLA team beating one D1 team means nothing in big picture….we all know that!
    Biggest Michigan strength: Ride. Biggest vulnerability against next level: Ride.

  • Guest

    love those laxpower ingame blogs

  • Guest

    “Yet with everything they have, they are just 1 goal better than an ASU team that hadn’t played a meaningful game in over a year.”

    Regarding ASU

    “Also, just curious. Who expected that 2 DI Defensive Middies were going to come in and score 10 goals a game? Pretty sure that most of the reasonably thinking world didn’t expect that. Especially after not playing lacrosse for 2 years.”

    Regarding the Houghton Twins from BYU.

    Reading comprehension FTW!

    Right now Michigan (and select few other MCLA schools) beat NCAA D1 programs in Preseason scrimmages. Not regular season. Huge difference for the reasons listed above.

    Bro, it’s no secret that both of them are paid full time salaries. Maybe you can argue where that money comes from, or how they raise the money, but neither of them hold another job other than coaching lacrosse.

  • Anonymous

    Bro,
    Once again….JP/KB paid nothing for lax. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Not a secret….just not anything. You know nothing about his family and how he and his bride pay bills….give it up.

    Rest o’ quotes seem nonsensical to me…I am out!

  • Anonymous

    Michigan would beat a lot of D1 programs during the regular season.

  • Guest

    1 or 2, maybe. Lots, no way.

  • Anonymous

    I think they can beat teams 40 through 60. 20 = lots. I bet they beat most of those teams by single digits, but a win is a win.

  • Guest

    Fair point. Probably not worth arguing because it is 100% based on opinion. In the long run, it’s pretty irrelevant. UMich is kicking ass at the MCLA level, and that’s all that should matter for them until they make the jump.

    Going back to ShillsDude’s comment about the coaches, this is from the Michigan Press Release after their first championship. Maybe they have gone backwards and this isn’t true anymore, but I highly doubt it.

    On the process of coaching the team: ‘This is the first year we’ve had a real, full-time staff and having Ken [Broschart] on the staff is a huge help and having Scott [Morrison] step up with the defense like he did was a major factor for us. We’ve put so much more into this season than in the past it’s translated into how much we’ve progressed and improved. They have more confidence in us because we’ve got to work with them more, and get to know them better. This is not just a closer team of 40 guys, it’s a tight group of 50 with everyone who’s associated with this program, and that’s what makes this special”.

  • Anonymous

    Dude- That article from Michigan Daily NEVER SAID paid….you said it. Nothing to go back on.You are amazing!!!! Even JP quote never says paid. Full time dedicated does not mean paid. “Support” means they get to use library for jocks, practice field after 9p at night, etc….not $$ to coaches. Any MCLA school can offer this, and any MCLA coach can do it FULL TIME for gratis!

  • Guest

    Nobody is buying that 3 guys are full-time unpaid. That wasn’t from the Michigan Daily, it was from the Michigan Lacrosse team. It said Full-Time Staff.

    Spin it how you want, but they are professional lacrosse coaches for the University of Michigan.

  • Anonymous

    You are dug in, man….hope that pit doesn’t smell bad after a while. {Note I referred to Daily article, and to JP quote…not as one. But, you stay in that foxhole man]

  • Cam

    All i know is that we are playing UMich later this year and I’m excited to play against a D1 program because thats what they are, thats the only reasonable way to justify that ridiculous building.

  • WhatDidYouSay?

    BIG BLUE LAX: The Best Thing To Ever Happen To The MCLA

  • Anonymous

    JP makes bank running a summer late full of Michigan-endorsed lax camps, on top of $$$ for a slew of other camps on the east coast. His wife is rich and pays the bills, but there’s no doubting that he gets paid a significant “stipend” from the University, be it from camps, dues, booster club, etc.

    He and his staff don’t work pro bono, shillsdude.

  • Anonymous

    so now we are down to his wife and camps….all in a grand way to ‘pay’ him. amazing how folks can create whatever reality they want….
    i have no doubt JP and staff optimize all outside opportunities – that don’t make them ‘paid professional’ by University…just smart. Again, most MCLA guys could try this route too….

  • Jumbo_Jack

    Your argument is spot on. If UM was a NCAA D1 team today, they'd have a top 5 program from an administrative standpoint and I personally think that's where great programs are made. If and when they make the jump I hope they keep Coach Paul, at the end of the video showing “coach paul's office” I think is a good omen. Once again, that is the most apt description of the Michigan program I've read to date, something lacrosse teams can aspire to both NCAA and MCLA.

  • laxdogger71

    i played against john cunningham in HS. total douche. so is his whole HS team. but none the less he is a damn good defenseman.

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Crave

    Gold star, sir.(Standing and clapping for this post)

  • http://centraliowalacrosse.sports.officelive.com/default.aspx Adam Edg

    I agree wholeheartedly with your opinions on Michigan. Considering the school's history and reputation in every men's sport and considering their MCLA program and the money that has been put into it, why do people honestly beleive that they are not looking at D1? As much as we hate their switch to Adidas, the fact that a total sponsorship of the lax team – down to the equipment – indicates that both the Trefoil and Blue have higher aspirations than “virtual varisty.” Not even Adidas' previous darling Notre Dame has custom gloves, pads, and cleats for the lax team – the already NCAA D1 lax team – coming from Adidas. Everybody knows that Michigan is probably the biggest and best place to slap an athletic company's logo if you want to increase sales and product awareness. Adidas is most likely banking on a Michigan jump to D1 as a way to properly announce that their lacrosse gear (as shoddy as it may be) has in fact arrived. You can bet your sweet ass that Blue will be a regular game of the week. On the Big 10 Network if nowhere else. You can already here the marketing and crowds for Michigan vs Ohio State playing lax – AT THE BIG HOUSE…And that building is gorgeous. How many current D1 programs outside of the usual contenders have something that is half as nice? The day is coming… And more will follow.

  • Guest

    Yet with everything they have, they are just 1 goal better than an ASU team that hadn't played a meaningful game in over a year. 1 goal. With everything they have that other teams have no access to. 1 goal. How many MCLA programs have 2 full time coaches? I'd say 0. You think with 2 full time head coaches that ASU wins that game? No question. Michigan isn't as talented as their results show. They take players and provide them the opportunity to be immersed in lacrosse and get DI support/time/commitment and play against a league of teams that are not afforded the same opportunity. Is that wrong? Hell no. Nice job JP and setting the bar high on what MCLA teams can aspire to. Anything less than undefeated seasons would be embarrassing for that program considering the competitive advantages they have on EVERY school in the MCLA.Now, when they go D1, will they be competitive. Probably eventually, but the team they have right now wouldn't be competitive. All the restrictions that an NCAA team has on play days, practice time in the off-season, coaches hours, blah blah blah, Michigan doesn't have to deal with. So do they sneak up on some teams in the preseason? Yeah they do. Congrats. BYU beat Air Force last year in preseason, but there is no questions that at the end of the year, or even in season that Air Force wins that game. Same with the Bellarmine this year. You cannot compare MCLA and NCAA teams linearly. There are too many things that factor into it. Michigan will eventually be a fantastic DI program. They have a great name, a fantastic school and a lot of draw for reasons other than Lacrosse. They won't be competitive right off the bat.Everyone points to the BYU game as to how deep Michigan is. BYU was overrated. New coach, new players, new everything, of course they are not going to be ready in their 5th game of the year against Michigan even if it's their backups. Anyone who thinks BYU is a top 3 team at the beginning of this season is fooling themselves. Come tournament time? We'll see. BYU historically plays their best ball later in the season. (See last year losses to SFU, CU)Also, just curious. Who expected that 2 DI Defensive Middies were going to come in and score 10 goals a game? Pretty sure that most of the reasonably thinking world didn't expect that. Especially after not playing lacrosse for 2 years. Now, having said all that, let's circle the CSU game vs. Michigan. CSU is almost polar opposite in terms of school support. They acknowledge the team, but that is about the extent of it. Somehow (Due mostly to good coaching and strong player commitment) they have managed to stay near the top of the league. Classic David vs. Goliath, I'm pulling for David.

  • shillsdude

    Guest,JP draws no pay, nor does Ken B, for lax. Like other MCLA teams. Same re: trainers etc… – just folks committed. Like you say, anyone could choose that (they don't – ASU included) Parents pay, just like in high school. You are correct about CSU game….but so were those who said watch out for ASU, SFU, BYU…yes, ASU was tight for ? reasons. And ASU had played within '2 yeears', though the hyperbole does inflate your argument.Paras gets 7 points against BYU….and then only gets mop up time in other games. Yeah, no talent. Yealy gets face locked for multiple games…and he still gets 20+ goals PLUS 8 other guys get multiple. Yeah, no talent and over rated. Previous FOGO dude (Kohlitz) gets MLL drafted in2009…and Reinhard comes in and dominates 70%+ anyway, and his backup wins 65%+. yeah, no talent. Well, 'nuf said. Word is they had 500+ indoors at last home game vs SFU.Let's see if David can hit Blue eye w/ a rock…though maybe Belzar Conehead is a better picture!

  • Guest

    Who are you comparing the talent to? DI or MCLA. I don't think anyone would ever say they are not incredibly talented at the MCLA level. I don't think they are D1 talent. All of those stats would go out the window against D1 opponents.Also, I said ASU hadn't played a meaningful game in over a year. Still true. Regardless of who is paying their salary, they still have 2 full time head coaches funded by the program paid through the school. That isn't in question. Their full time job is to coach the Michigan lacrosse team. Name another MCLA coach that can say that about his job?

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    Might be an interesting read for some from September 2000.ANN ARBOR, Mich. — University of Michigan Athletic Director BillMartin announced today the formation of a tiered club sports system.Under the new system club teams that meet a newly established set ofcriteria can petition for elevation to “club varsity” status.Men's rowing and men's lacrosse have been confirmed as the first twoclub teams to be elevated, effective this fall. Both teams are coachedby full-time coaches and their staffs, and compete against nationalcompetition. John Paul coaches the lacrosse team while Gregg Hartsuffcoaches the men's rowing team.The new system has been established to recognize and increase supportfor club sports teams that have reached a level of budget,organization and competition that is similar to varsity levels. Clubvarsity squads are not necessarily closer to being elevated to fullvarsity status, and will remain for the time being primarilyself-funded and administered through the Department of RecreationalSports. However, the designation will give these teams a closerrelationship to the U-M athletic department.After a one-year trial run with rowing and lacrosse, everyintercollegiate club sport will have the opportunity to petition forclub varsity status. Each team's eligibility and acceptance will bebased on a set of criteria that includes budget, coaching, scheduling,practice time and student-athlete eligibility. Several women's clubteams, including ice hockey and figure skating, have been identifiedas possible candidates in 2001.The men's rowing team was established in 1976 and has been nationallycompetitive with primarily walk-on athletes. This past season men'srowing finished ninth of the 45 programs at the Intercollegiate RowingAssociation (IRA) National Championships. Michigan was one of only twoclub programs to finish in the top 20 in 2000. Collegiate men's rowingis governed by the IRA, which has determined club sports can competeif they follow the version of the NCAA rules that the IRA adopts. Forthe past four years the Michigan men have been the highest placingclub at the IRA's, and have defeated many fully supported varsityprograms. Several Michigan men's rowers have gone on to represent theUnited States in international competition, most recently 2000graduate Steve Warner, who won a gold medal in the World Championshipsin August.The men's lacrosse team, which was established in 1965, draws manyplayers who were recruited by varsity programs out of high school butchoose Michigan for its combination of academic and athleticstrengths. The team competes against other similar “virtual varsity”club teams in the United States Lacrosse Intercollegiate Associates.Last year, men's lacrosse compiled a 20-6 record en route to afifth-place national ranking and a one-goal loss in the nationalquarterfinals. The lacrosse team's home field is OosterbaanFieldhouse, where it regularly draws between 300-1,000 fans for homegames.Men's lacrosse head coach John Paul expressed excitement over thechanges. “We've been pushing for this for some time, so it'sgratifying to see that our guys will finally be recognized for all thehard work they put in. They work so hard on the field and in theclassroom to represent Michigan well. It's great to see the Universityacknowledge that dedication.”

  • shillsdude

    G,Gotta love you staying on message!So….your EXACT words re: ASU were “not playing lacrosse for 2 years.” Right from your post…now its “meaningful” and ” one year”. No one played a meaningful game for 8 months either!JP does not get paid. Period. “Full time” absent pay is volunteer – an opportunity available everywhere in MCLA.Re: talent – my read is RIGHT NOW Blue beats unranked D1 team….think Penn State as one. Beat them. You are right – not a 19-2 game, and Yealy (or Ein, or McIntrye, or Paras) won't get 6, but the team will beat them. Not bad. I now await the D1 folks saying “You guys just don't know” – what else could you say. Of course one MCLA team beating one D1 team means nothing in big picture….we all know that!Biggest Michigan strength: Ride. Biggest vulnerability against next level: Ride.

  • Guest

    love those laxpower ingame blogs

  • Guest

    “Yet with everything they have, they are just 1 goal better than an ASU team that hadn't played a meaningful game in over a year.”Regarding ASU”Also, just curious. Who expected that 2 DI Defensive Middies were going to come in and score 10 goals a game? Pretty sure that most of the reasonably thinking world didn't expect that. Especially after not playing lacrosse for 2 years.”Regarding the Houghton Twins from BYU. Reading comprehension FTW!Right now Michigan (and select few other MCLA schools) beat NCAA D1 programs in Preseason scrimmages. Not regular season. Huge difference for the reasons listed above. Bro, it's no secret that both of them are paid full time salaries. Maybe you can argue where that money comes from, or how they raise the money, but neither of them hold another job other than coaching lacrosse.

  • shillsdude

    Bro,Once again….JP/KB paid nothing for lax. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Not a secret….just not anything. You know nothing about his family and how he and his bride pay bills….give it up.Rest o' quotes seem nonsensical to me…I am out!

  • Jumbo_Jack

    Michigan would beat a lot of D1 programs during the regular season.

  • Guest

    1 or 2, maybe. Lots, no way.

  • Jumbo_Jack

    I think they can beat teams 40 through 60. 20 = lots. I bet they beat most of those teams by single digits, but a win is a win.

  • Jumbo_Jack

    I think they can beat teams 40 through 60. 20 = lots. I bet they beat most of those teams by single digits, but a win is a win.

  • Guest

    Fair point. Probably not worth arguing because it is 100% based on opinion. In the long run, it's pretty irrelevant. UMich is kicking ass at the MCLA level, and that's all that should matter for them until they make the jump. Going back to ShillsDude's comment about the coaches, this is from the Michigan Press Release after their first championship. Maybe they have gone backwards and this isn't true anymore, but I highly doubt it.On the process of coaching the team: 'This is the first year we've had a real, full-time staff and having Ken [Broschart] on the staff is a huge help and having Scott [Morrison] step up with the defense like he did was a major factor for us. We've put so much more into this season than in the past it's translated into how much we've progressed and improved. They have more confidence in us because we've got to work with them more, and get to know them better. This is not just a closer team of 40 guys, it's a tight group of 50 with everyone who's associated with this program, and that's what makes this special”.

  • Guest

    Fair point. Probably not worth arguing because it is 100% based on opinion. In the long run, it's pretty irrelevant. UMich is kicking ass at the MCLA level, and that's all that should matter for them until they make the jump. Going back to ShillsDude's comment about the coaches, this is from the Michigan Press Release after their first championship. Maybe they have gone backwards and this isn't true anymore, but I highly doubt it.On the process of coaching the team: 'This is the first year we've had a real, full-time staff and having Ken [Broschart] on the staff is a huge help and having Scott [Morrison] step up with the defense like he did was a major factor for us. We've put so much more into this season than in the past it's translated into how much we've progressed and improved. They have more confidence in us because we've got to work with them more, and get to know them better. This is not just a closer team of 40 guys, it's a tight group of 50 with everyone who's associated with this program, and that's what makes this special”.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    I wonder what will become of the league when the flagship program
    makes the jump to D1.

  • Guest

    Is that a serious statement?

  • shillsdude

    Dude- That article from Michigan Daily NEVER SAID paid….you said it. Nothing to go back on.You are amazing!!!! Even JP quote never says paid. Full time dedicated does not mean paid. “Support” means they get to use library for jocks, practice field after 9p at night, etc….not $$ to coaches. Any MCLA school can offer this, and any MCLA coach can do it FULL TIME for gratis!

  • Guest

    Nobody is buying that 3 guys are full-time unpaid. That wasn't from the Michigan Daily, it was from the Michigan Lacrosse team. It said Full-Time Staff. Spin it how you want, but they are professional lacrosse coaches for the University of Michigan.

  • shillsdude

    You are dug in, man….hope that pit doesn't smell bad after a while. {Note I referred to Daily article, and to JP quote…not as one. But, you stay in that foxhole man]

  • Cam

    All i know is that we are playing UMich later this year and I'm excited to play against a D1 program because thats what they are, thats the only reasonable way to justify that ridiculous building.

  • the thrill

    412….. I played for michigan last year…. they have NO access to the Varsity gyms …. they lift in groups of 5 in the rec gyms ( the same gyms you have to present your school ID’s in-order to get into)….. CHECK YOUR FACTS……

  • WhatDidYouSay?

    BIG BLUE LAX: The Best Thing To Ever Happen To The MCLA

  • FiveOh

    JP makes bank running a summer late full of Michigan-endorsed lax camps, on top of $$$ for a slew of other camps on the east coast. His wife is rich and pays the bills, but there's no doubting that he gets paid a significant “stipend” from the University, be it from camps, dues, booster club, etc.He and his staff don't work pro bono, shillsdude.

  • shillsdude

    so now we are down to his wife and camps….all in a grand way to 'pay' him. amazing how folks can create whatever reality they want….i have no doubt JP and staff optimize all outside opportunities – that don't make them 'paid professional' by University…just smart. Again, most MCLA guys could try this route too….

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    I wonder what will become of the league when the flagship programmakes the jump to D1.

  • Guest

    Is that a serious statement?

  • the thrill

    412….. I played for michigan last year…. they have NO access to the Varsity gyms …. they lift in groups of 5 in the rec gyms ( the same gyms you have to present your school ID's in-order to get into)….. CHECK YOUR FACTS……

  • Anonymous

    A Midwestern school with a history for athletics (mainly due to their football team), academics who have a large alumni base. A full commitment to the lacrosse team with school and athletic dept support and state of the art facilities. Unique.

    Except Notre Dame has the exact same thing NOW with a larger fan base.

    Though I am a ND fan I will admit even with all this they aren’t exactly ripping off Division 1 titles year in and year out. Don’t get me wrong, I think Michigan will be successful at the D-1 level (and don’t kid yourself, the writing is on the board) however they have things working against them. They aren’t on the east coast and no matter how you swing it Hopkins, Syracuse, UVA and Princeton are all going to be more attractive to blue chip recruits because of tradition.

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Crave

    Solid points. Notre Dame is chock full of tradition but so far that hasn’t translated over to lacrosse. Take away the uber-high expectations and ND has been decently successful though.

  • Anonymous

    ya, i didnt mean to like that, but unfortunately i cant take that back…consider me neutral to that comment…but can you reveal ur name to build credibility to you ur “facts”?

  • 412 in the library

    Why wouldn’t it be?

    If the flagship program that everyone is trying to become leaves?

    Who takes over the throne?

    Does the league move as fast without Michigan?

    We may have answers to those questions soon enough.

  • Anonymous

    From an outsider’s perspective I always thought ND lax was the bastard child of the athletic department, I’m probably wrong though. I also think ND has a different culture than Michigan and ND has harder admissions standards for sure. I think those two factors play in Michigan’s favor in such a way that if they go D1 they’ll experience more success than ND.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    What tradition does Notre Dame lacrosse have?

    What are the expectations for Notre Dame coming from the second or
    third weakest conference to the second toughest (behind the ACC)?

    Elite teams don’t lose to Fairfield.

    An alum paid for Notre Dame’s stadium. Michigan built and paid for a
    lacrosse building and stadium.

    Major differences.

    On Wednesday, March 17, 2010, Disqus

  • guest

    The university in no way, shape, or form paid for that building. Its a donation from several large donors (families, alums, etc.)

  • Anonymous

    And where is this Michigan lacrosse building and stadium? A youtube video and a drawing on JP’s desk are quite a bit different than Arlotta Stadium. Notre Dame played in their stadium yesterday, where is Michigan playing their next home game?

  • Anonymous

    A dedicated facility, program director (something only shared on campus by Football, Basketball and Hockey) and 3 full time coaches (not that 3 is unique to D1 lacrosse). As far as admissions are concerned, ND’s standards are higher but both schools are comparable.

  • thedude1027

    A Midwestern school with a history for athletics (mainly due to their football team), academics who have a large alumni base. A full commitment to the lacrosse team with school and athletic dept support and state of the art facilities. Unique.Except Notre Dame has the exact same thing NOW with a larger fan base. Though I am a ND fan I will admit even with all this they aren't exactly ripping off Division 1 titles year in and year out. Don't get me wrong, I think Michigan will be successful at the D-1 level (and don't kid yourself, the writing is on the board) however they have things working against them. They aren't on the east coast and no matter how you swing it Hopkins, Syracuse, UVA and Princeton are all going to be more attractive to blue chip recruits because of tradition.

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Crave

    Solid points. Notre Dame is chock full of tradition but so far that hasn't translated over to lacrosse. Take away the uber-high expectations and ND has been decently successful though.

  • ReliantxRuckus

    ya, i didnt mean to like that, but unfortunately i cant take that back…consider me neutral to that comment…but can you reveal ur name to build credibility to you ur “facts”?

  • 412 in the library

    Why wouldn't it be?If the flagship program that everyone is trying to become leaves?Who takes over the throne?Does the league move as fast without Michigan?We may have answers to those questions soon enough.

  • Jumbo_Jack

    From an outsider's perspective I always thought ND lax was the bastard child of the athletic department, I'm probably wrong though. I also think ND has a different culture than Michigan and ND has harder admissions standards for sure. I think those two factors play in Michigan's favor in such a way that if they go D1 they'll experience more success than ND.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    What tradition does Notre Dame lacrosse have?What are the expectations for Notre Dame coming from the second orthird weakest conference to the second toughest (behind the ACC)?Elite teams don't lose to Fairfield.An alum paid for Notre Dame's stadium. Michigan built and paid for alacrosse building and stadium.Major differences.On Wednesday, March 17, 2010, Disqus

  • guest

    The university in no way, shape, or form paid for that building. Its a donation from several large donors (families, alums, etc.)

  • thedude1027

    And where is this Michigan lacrosse building and stadium? A youtube video and a drawing on JP's desk are quite a bit different than Arlotta Stadium. Notre Dame played in their stadium yesterday, where is Michigan playing their next home game?

  • thedude1027

    A dedicated facility, program director (something only shared on campus by Football, Basketball and Hockey) and 3 full time coaches (not that 3 is unique to D1 lacrosse). As far as admissions are concerned, ND's standards are higher but both schools are comparable.

  • Anonymous

    Chapman would take over and they have proved with their skill and recruitment of all-americans they have what it takes

  • 12345lax

    Chapman would take over and they have proved with their skill and recruitment of all-americans they have what it takes

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    First of all great user name.

    Second of all I agree.

    On Wednesday, March 17, 2010, Disqus

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    First of all great user name.

    Second of all I agree.

    On Wednesday, March 17, 2010, Disqus

  • Anonymous

    they’re building a turf one right next to this new building

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    First of all great user name.Second of all I agree.On Wednesday, March 17, 2010, Disqus

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    First of all great user name.Second of all I agree.On Wednesday, March 17, 2010, Disqus

  • ckl22

    they're building a turf one right next to this new building

  • Anonymous

    Chapman beat Ithaca

  • 12345lax

    Chapman beat Ithaca

  • guest

    No disrespect to Chapman, but they would take over in competitive ability only. Not too many people outside of California have even heard of Chapman. Michigan is known everywhere, even moreso for reasons other than lacrosse. It’s a household name. The MCLA would miss their premier program being at a school that everyone knows. They would also miss the east coast presence. Maybe that’s not as important in lacrosse as it once was, but it’s still important.

  • guest

    No disrespect to Chapman, but they would take over in competitive ability only. Not too many people outside of California have even heard of Chapman. Michigan is known everywhere, even moreso for reasons other than lacrosse. It's a household name. The MCLA would miss their premier program being at a school that everyone knows. They would also miss the east coast presence. Maybe that's not as important in lacrosse as it once was, but it's still important.