That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.

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“Allow me to retort.” Pulp Fiction references continue as we go to the mattresses over yesterday’s heated PNCLL discussion. No one cared about how sick Oregon State’s shirts were? Finals week is T minus 6 days. Content might get strange. Semi pop culture day.

Hey, Emo Little Devotchka in Boise, Shhhhhhhh

Someone associated with Boise State had a mental breakdown  yesterday. Following the BCS snubbing of their football team to a lesser BCS game against the Horned Frogs, this Bronco visited 412 Lax as he does daily to find a riveting post detailing news in the PNCLL conference.

Every team was featured (including Portland State, we love the MCLA, but had no idea Portland State was a school let alone had an MCLA team) but apparently our write up on Boise State was not to his liking.

We wrote: Boise State’s website is one of the worst in the country. Gonzaga, Montana, and Idaho should be ashamed that they lost to the Blue Turf Monsters. We aren’t talking about the Broncos ever again.

This is why we were so offended by their website.

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They don’t really have a website. Consider that we had spent several days working on this post, we were a little antsy. Boise was the last team we reviewed. So, maybe we threw Boise State’s website under the bus. Mind you, we didn’t say anything about their program, players, or coaches. In fact we were quite friendly towards the teams living in the basement of the PNCLL conference weren’t we?

412 Lax on Washington State’s fall roster having 12 players: Difficult to look at, have to feel bad for the kids that want to be apart of WSU lacrosse. Dedication, commitment and a love of the game are required from both the students and the coaches. Nothing worth having comes easy.

412 Lax on Portland State’s website quote which reads: The cowards never started and the weak died along the way: Even if your combined score against the Ducks and the Canadians was 50-1, we can respect that quote for the 2010 season…Best news for PSU? They only graduated one senior from last year’s squad.

412 Lax on Gonzaga, who also has an awful website: Gonzaga has their own student section which they call the Man Up Club. For a one time price of $20 students receive the following, free entry to Man Up Club functions, a Gonzaga lacrosse lanyard, a Man Up Club shirt, and free BBQ for every home game. What a brilliant idea, especially because they claim they had 200 members in the first year. Even if you don’t have 200 kids showing up to each home game you probably turned a profit of $1000.

We also did some carving. Called Oregon the Mallards. Called The Clan the Canadians. Said that Gonzaga made their website with crayons. This is an equal opportunity website. We praise and rip 50/50.

This is the impassioned comment left from “Nonya Business” in regards to us hazing BSU’s website:

I appreciate the in site on teams here but you are missing some valuable information. Having played for Boise State for many years you know nothing of their situation. Like many clubs, with the exception of the some of the pampered teams like the Oregon Mallards, Boise State struggles to do what ever is possible to make their program better. The school has tight restrictions on what CLUB teams can do, for example a team website. The team is not allowed to have a website because of what other clubs on campus have done in the past with their websites. So in order to be fair to all clubs the school deemed it unnecessary for any club to have a website. The water runs deeper than just that, but why would an outsider with minimal information think they know anything about something. I bet you think your crap dont stink either! Good luck on your future writing career!

Right away you’re going to lose respect for anyone who misspells the fourth word of their first sentence.

According to the second sentence, we have played for Boise State for years and still know nothing of their situation.

Thrilled that Nonya decided it was prudent to use our Oregon cut up. Weren’t offended by that? Only when it suits you? Thought so.

At what point did we claim to know anything about Boise State’s program? In fact we didn’t. We said their website is awful and then declared we’d never talk about them again. Thanks to Nonya Business, we have amended that statement and will now be tracking Boise State in a tireless and vivacious manner.

To quote the great liberal Stevie Colbert, Boise State, you’ve been put on notice.

Boise State On Notice Day #1

Oregon vs. Boise State: Video evidence of why the school refusing to permit them to operate a proper website has ruined their program.

  • Nonya Business, is it the lack of an acceptable website that forced your middie to turn the ball over at the 40 yard line at the 0:23 mark?
  • The yard sale at 0:31…blame it on the website?
  • Scoring the first goal of the game at 0:49 is absolutely your website’s fault. Right?
  • Website’s the guilty party for giving up an 8 goal run in the second quarter?

We’ll chalk up yesterday’s angst as a direct corollary to your BCS let down.

Of course, we had no idea that your school has regulations against club team websites.

No one was ridiculing your program for trying to overcome the unique odds all second tier club teams (and most first tier club teams) suffer through.

Coming onto this site and whining about injustices that none one could possibly understand hardly represents a shape of a good idea.

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Best wishes in 2010. Now, we’re watching.

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Star Wars Cleats

Who in the MCLA has the nerve to wear these?

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Keep in mind you are only brash for wearing these if silver/chrome has nothing to do with your school’s color scheme.

We would
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all over those.

Buy them here.

New Stuff from Striker Danger

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Buy them here.

Retro Alt Rock Band

Cold War Kids “Hospital Beds”

(from the October 2006 album, “Robbers and Cowards”)

LAS founder in action for the Mallards in 2008.

Such a lonely feeling as an attackman. Probably a soft pass and you’re going to have to pick yourself up off the ground.

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Don’t worry we’ll have a talk with him about the socks.

Too easy to carve Notre Dame coaches.

For example:

Can any one in this Eiffel Tower scenario win a meaningful game?

Charles Weis called, he wants to know what its like to barely see your belt buckle.

The last time I saw that many mock turtlenecks, I was shopping at Talbots Kids at 93.

Notre Dame Falls to Maryland 7-3

Connecticut Valley Helmet

Club lacrosse fashion is about pushing the limits. This is a fine effort although we’ve seen it before, posted the design in fact of a Warrior Trojan helmet from Elevation. Wonder if there was a larceny involved.

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Taylor Swift thinks shes Gaga. Her cat eyes make us nervous. Or perhaps, its the cat eyes attached to basketball player legs.

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Miley Cyrus was not raised within 4 hours of a tall building.

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John Mayer’s tips on cheating

If a man really wanted to get away with cheating on his woman, he’d store his other girls’ name in his phone as “low battery,” until the moment your girlfriend walks in with your phone and asks who Low Battery is and why they want you inside them again.

Notes

  • For those of you that don’t know, devotchka is Russian for girl or woman, made famous in the infamous S. Kubrick film A Clockwork Orange
  • Did anyone check Friday’s post?
  • How many young people know what the black and white image is from?
  • Follow us on twitter for hourly chuckles.

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  • kevinbice

    I believe the photo is from Network, an early 80's movie and damn good flick…

  • BozoStateUniversity

    this post is awesome

  • mBand

    If I could have a blog post bronzed and set upon my mantle, this would be the one.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    Well done

  • Anonymous

    I believe the photo is from Network, an early 80′s movie and damn good flick…

  • BozoStateUniversity

    this post is awesome

  • Anonymous

    If I could have a blog post bronzed and set upon my mantle, this would be the one.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    Well done

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Connor Wilson

    the Nike cleats are sick. I want them but in Bronze. yeah, Bronze.CVLC has stepped its game up! When I played for them for a year in the ALL we still had a wacky mix of college helemts. good to see them gearing out! Unless that is some new college I've never heard of. could be.Miley looks like Billy Ray. and he is decidedly not attractive. even for a man.the StrikerDanger shorts are the most subdued things they've come out with yet! I really like them though and the hoodie is money.

  • Sweet Lou

    The BSU non-website lists four Donks on the roster, two of them are English majors. Their pathetic team may not improve, but look for better grammar and fewer spelling errors in the coming season.One thing you can count on with BSU: after you kick their ass on the field they will get drunk and heckle you from the sidelines. They spend a lot of time watching the winners play.

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Connor Wilson

    the Nike cleats are sick. I want them but in Bronze. yeah, Bronze.

    CVLC has stepped its game up! When I played for them for a year in the ALL we still had a wacky mix of college helemts. good to see them gearing out! Unless that is some new college I’ve never heard of. could be.

    Miley looks like Billy Ray. and he is decidedly not attractive. even for a man.

    the StrikerDanger shorts are the most subdued things they’ve come out with yet! I really like them though and the hoodie is money.

  • Titus Pettis

    In defense of the Boise State lacrosse team (6-time “Sports Club of the Year”), you can't expect them to stop a team like Oregon. The Boise State lax club homepage sums it up: “The only skills needed are an interest in the game and the desire to compete while having a good time.” ["interest" and "desire to have a good time" are what they call "skills" at Boise State]. A lot of them got picked on in high school, so a little kindness should be extended their way. Chances are these unathletic but fun-loving commuter college kids will be working under the hood of your car someday, so treat them with respect.

  • boiselax

    The problem with Boise State is no one wants to play there. As mentioned above, a team has to have commitment in order to be successful- Boise State doesn't even have a committed coach. The Boise area has many talented players ATTENDING Boise State and not playing on the team, including a couple All-Americans and several first team all-staters. These are extremely talented kids with a huge passion for the game but they're not playing. That says something about the program. Hope to see some change around there in the future

  • mBand

    While the problem you mentioned about interest may be true, and in fact is a statewide issue, under no circumstances would I call Coach Sanderson uncommitted these days. Also, any kids who have a “huge passion” for the game would be playing. If not, they're just kids who liked to wear lax t-shirts in high school.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    Confirmed CVLC helmets for two reasons. 1 – Friend from Connecticut sent the pictures to us2 – In the third picture, you can see the “LC” in the side panel logo

  • Sweet Lou

    The BSU non-website lists four Donks on the roster, two of them are English majors. Their pathetic team may not improve, but look for better grammar and fewer spelling errors in the coming season.

    One thing you can count on with BSU: after you kick their ass on the field they will get drunk and heckle you from the sidelines. They spend a lot of time watching the winners play.

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Crave

    Just to chime in on the high level here (and also coming from an “established” club program at UofO who played BSU, Idaho, and the rest of the PNCLL)…it's a tad ridiculous to have so much smack talk about Boise and their program. They dont have a website due to some BS rule but by no means is the program as bad as people are trying to make it out to be. Boise has been pretty competitive in the PNCLL last I checked and I think some Vandal-Bronco rivalries are being played out on the commenting threads.Coming from other conversations where NCAA laxers dismiss the entire MCLA because its a jv “club” league and then have programs within the MCLA talk so much shit to each other over commitment and skill levels is kinda sad. Shit talk about one club team makes them all look bad. Just my 2 cents.

  • Titus Pettis

    In defense of the Boise State lacrosse team (6-time “Sports Club of the Year”), you can’t expect them to stop a team like Oregon. The Boise State lax club homepage sums it up: “The only skills needed are an interest in the game and the desire to compete while having a good time.” ["interest" and "desire to have a good time" are what they call "skills" at Boise State]. A lot of them got picked on in high school, so a little kindness should be extended their way. Chances are these unathletic but fun-loving commuter college kids will be working under the hood of your car someday, so treat them with respect.

  • Peyton

    Aww the BSU poster tried to defend his program from your lame attack. Why doesnt someone go cry you a river.

  • boiselax

    The problem with Boise State is no one wants to play there. As mentioned above, a team has to have commitment in order to be successful- Boise State doesn’t even have a committed coach. The Boise area has many talented players ATTENDING Boise State and not playing on the team, including a couple All-Americans and several first team all-staters. These are extremely talented kids with a huge passion for the game but they’re not playing. That says something about the program. Hope to see some change around there in the future

  • Anonymous

    While the problem you mentioned about interest may be true, and in fact is a statewide issue, under no circumstances would I call Coach Sanderson uncommitted these days. Also, any kids who have a “huge passion” for the game would be playing. If not, they’re just kids who liked to wear lax t-shirts in high school.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    Confirmed CVLC helmets for two reasons.
    1 – Friend from Connecticut sent the pictures to us
    2 – In the third picture, you can see the “LC” in the side panel logo

  • http://www.lacrosseallstars.com Crave

    Just to chime in on the high level here (and also coming from an “established” club program at UofO who played BSU, Idaho, and the rest of the PNCLL)…it’s a tad ridiculous to have so much smack talk about Boise and their program. They dont have a website due to some BS rule but by no means is the program as bad as people are trying to make it out to be. Boise has been pretty competitive in the PNCLL last I checked and I think some Vandal-Bronco rivalries are being played out on the commenting threads.Coming from other conversations where NCAA laxers dismiss the entire MCLA because its a jv “club” league and then have programs within the MCLA talk so much shit to each other over commitment and skill levels is kinda sad. Shit talk about one club team makes them all look bad. Just my 2 cents.

  • Peyton

    Aww the BSU poster tried to defend his program from your lame attack. Why doesnt someone go cry you a river.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    This post went over your head higher than yesterday's post went over the BSU fan's head.

  • boiselax

    He may be committed “these days” but why wasn't he committed before? None of the kids I'm talking about ever got 'recruited' by any BSU coach, something that has to and does happen at prominent MCLA schools (at least the winning teams). It's not that big of an effort. Alain Rodrigue does a great job of putting on the BSU camp every summer to get kids in the community interested in the program and to help growth in the area but where is the head coach? BSU needs to get more involved in the community and at the high school level in order to get kids excited about their program.

  • mpalazzi

    i have the silver cleats and those are sickk, dont plan on wearing them in games though, just some practices here and there, definitely not a game cleat in my opinion.

  • http://412.LaxAllStars.com 412 Lax

    This post went over your head higher than yesterday’s post went over the BSU fan’s head.

  • boiselax

    He may be committed “these days” but why wasn’t he committed before? None of the kids I’m talking about ever got ‘recruited’ by any BSU coach, something that has to and does happen at prominent MCLA schools (at least the winning teams). It’s not that big of an effort. Alain Rodrigue does a great job of putting on the BSU camp every summer to get kids in the community interested in the program and to help growth in the area but where is the head coach? BSU needs to get more involved in the community and at the high school level in order to get kids excited about their program.

  • mpalazzi

    i have the silver cleats and those are sickk, dont plan on wearing them in games though, just some practices here and there, definitely not a game cleat in my opinion.

  • mBand

    Care to reveal yourself boiselax?If Sandy wasn't committed before, you can blame youth or life or any number of things. Last time I checked, Sandy is a newlywed and a new father. It's possible he has made some mistakes in the past but the fact of the matter is that he's the only person who has stepped up to do the job and “these days”, which are the only days that matter, he is involved and committed so far as I know. As for recruiting in Idaho, I assure you that the problem goes much deeper than BSU's head coach — high school coaches in the area are making two gigantic mistakes:1. They let all of their players think that they are studs who are too good to play local ball (hint: they aren't). Most of these players don't go play elsewhere, they just quite playing altogether once they get into college.2. They barely encourage their players to play after high school. Half of the kids I talk to aren't even really lacrosse fans. They don't know what the MCLA is, they're only peripherally aware of NCAA ball; they just like the t-shirts. Coaches should be teaching their players not just how to play, but how to love the game.This problem isn't going to be remedied if college coaches in Idaho magically step up recruiting; a nexus of communication and growth needs to be built and grown between the high school and college level.

  • Anonymous

    Care to reveal yourself boiselax?
    If Sandy wasn’t committed before, you can blame youth or life or any number of things. Last time I checked, Sandy is a newlywed and a new father. It’s possible he has made some mistakes in the past but the fact of the matter is that he’s the only person who has stepped up to do the job and “these days”, which are the only days that matter, he is involved and committed so far as I know.
    As for recruiting in Idaho, I assure you that the problem goes much deeper than BSU’s head coach — high school coaches in the area are making two gigantic mistakes:
    1. They let all of their players think that they are studs who are too good to play local ball (hint: they aren’t). Most of these players don’t go play elsewhere, they just quite playing altogether once they get into college.
    2. They barely encourage their players to play after high school. Half of the kids I talk to aren’t even really lacrosse fans. They don’t know what the MCLA is, they’re only peripherally aware of NCAA ball; they just like the t-shirts. Coaches should be teaching their players not just how to play, but how to love the game.

    This problem isn’t going to be remedied if college coaches in Idaho magically step up recruiting; a nexus of communication and growth needs to be built and grown between the high school and college level.

  • boiselax

    I agree that high school coaches need to be doing a better job of encouraging and educating their players about college lacrosse and it's no mystery that coaches are hard to come by in Idaho. However, Boise State has a reputation (which isn't going to change overnight) and high schoolers aren't as oblivious to the team's history and the MCLA as you think. If you are going to take a job you should give it your best, most enthusiastic effort, which in this case includes getting the community excited about your program and RECRUITING (isn't that pretty standard for all coaches?). Maybe the BSU coach should think about helping “educate” the high school coaches about his program if that's part of the problem.1. “These days” aren't the only days that matter. I know it's a crazy thing but people do care about history, records, and reputations.2. I realize recruiting isn't going to completely turn the program around but it would be a nice proactive step for the coach to take (along with putting some positive energy into his job).3. The t-shirt comment was stupid the first time.

  • mBand

    So, Blake, your response is, and let me know if I don't sum this up right:* Kids who have a “huge passion” for the game aren't playing at BSU because they weren't recruited.* Coach Sanderson should have let BSU go with no coach at all and possibly fold rather than take the job and do the best he knew how/had time for.* Because Coach Sanderson hasn't done a stellar job in the past, we'd better dwell on those days rather than focus on the present because the best way to fix a reputation is to dwell on it rather than take notice of the positive changes that have been recently developing. You're doing a good job helping out with that, so kudos for your efforts there. Truly the very best way to encourage high school kids who want to stay in the area to play at the next level is to perpetuate negativity and lambaste area coaches publicly for transgressions that they're well on their way to putting behind them.P.S. – You're a t-shirt.

  • boiselax

    Well, Mike, this is not Blake and you did not, in fact, sum it up right.*Kids who have a huge passion for lacrosse aren't playing at BSU because they have pride. The most passionate kids are the fiercest competitors and to play for a “beer league” team with a disrespectful coach who doesn't take his job seriously would contradict the very reason they play, not to mention be a waste of time and money. Maybe I am wrong, but the reason I play lacrosse (and all other sports for that matter) is to compete. If the team isn't going to take the game seriously and make an effort to compete at their highest capacity, why play?*I'm sure BSU would have “folded” if the high and mighty Coach Sanderson hadn't saved the day so I am grateful for him for that. But again, if you do something, such as accept a coaching position or play for a team, you do it to your very best ability.*What exactly are these “positive changes that have been recently developing”? I'm not trying to dwell on the past. I have seen lacrosse played at all different levels from all different areas of the nation and I know the state of Idaho has the potential to compete with the best. They just need to take that extra step. *I like what you're doing at Idaho. Maybe others should follow suit.

  • boiselax

    I agree that high school coaches need to be doing a better job of encouraging and educating their players about college lacrosse and it’s no mystery that coaches are hard to come by in Idaho. However, Boise State has a reputation (which isn’t going to change overnight) and high schoolers aren’t as oblivious to the team’s history and the MCLA as you think. If you are going to take a job you should give it your best, most enthusiastic effort, which in this case includes getting the community excited about your program and RECRUITING (isn’t that pretty standard for all coaches?). Maybe the BSU coach should think about helping “educate” the high school coaches about his program if that’s part of the problem.

    1. “These days” aren’t the only days that matter. I know it’s a crazy thing but people do care about history, records, and reputations.

    2. I realize recruiting isn’t going to completely turn the program around but it would be a nice proactive step for the coach to take (along with putting some positive energy into his job).

    3. The t-shirt comment was stupid the first time.

  • boiselax

    Also, the original reason I commented was because I do not see what's so hard about going to a couple high school games or even shooting some of the more talented kids an email. There's some sick athletes in Boise and a lot of their talent is being wasted. Communicate with them, educate them about your program, and let them know they are wanted. How else do they even find out about the program? The BSU website obviously doesn't cut it.

  • Shawn Carman

    boiselax apparently has no influence with “Boise” lax because Mike Band has struck the nail on the head as far as Sanderson goes! I have played for him for 5 years now (1 year as a senior in high school). My freshmen year he was not much of a coach, he was just a guy who had recently finished his last year of eligibility and took on the task of coach afterward. So you take a guy that was a band geek in High School, picks up a stick for his first time in college gets numerous awards for his playing ability and then expect him to know how to coach in that 4 year period. Show me a coach who can have no coaching experience and turn a team around in that short period of time…dont think so.As my years progressed with BSU, players that Sanderson played with were beginning to graduate from the team, so there was no longer a Buddy Buddy feel amongst players and the coach. My senior year, Brian was a Head Coach. He presented himself as such in every manner. I am honored to have to say I played under him. He is a big reason I am the player I am today! When I was president of the club, Brian was paid 1 time in 4 years, that was my fault. He was paid $1000, if you ask me that is a joke. He also did it with a wife at home and a baby on the way. If you look at him this year, he has hosted a few coaching clinics for High School coaches (but boiselax wouldn't know that), emailed every high school coach in the valley about recruiting players…oh yeah he has done all of this by himself, the last 3 years Brian has not had an assistant coach, co-head coach…nothing.As far as the Boise State lax camp goes, Alain Rodrigue runs the show. We have asked over the past 3 years to take over the camp, but because it is such a great revenue for our Campus Rec Dept, they will not hand it back over to us.Kids who are claimed to be great players, with passion for the game…actually play the game! The guys who dont play are what we call flakes. They say that it is to hard, seriously all of us can agree that it is hard. Everyone who plays goes to school, plays lacrosse and has a life outside of school and lacrosse, no matter how small or big it is. If you love lacrosse you will look for anywhere to play, if that means playing for “Boise State”. You should want to play…period!

  • mBand

    Well, I'm about done with this but I'll finish off my comments.You're making my point for me. I've yet to come across a single human coming out of Idaho's high schools who is too good to play for BSU. And I've been paying attention. There have been some great prospects the last couple of years, but “too good”? No. Anyone who thinks they are that hot in this state is mistaken. Furthermore, I assure you that none of those uber prospects are currently sitting on their asses enrolled at BSU wishing and hoping that they could SOMEHOW play lax. If they were truly passionate about this game they'd play college ball NO MATTER WHAT and if they weren't satisfied with BSU's team they'd take it upon themselves to better it. That's what passion is.I'm not saying we shouldn't be recruiting. We should! What I've taken issue with is your stance that there's a even single human being in the state who's too good to play for BSU but hasn't gone elsewhere. I can't speak for Sandy, but if you were actually to find that kid and show him to me I'd send him home because I don't want a prima dona like that on my team.As for the positive changes, if you had actually been paying any attention you'd know that Sandy has become a good deal more involved with the BSU program over the last 2 years and the level of play and beer league attitude have changed commensurately.Again, I agree that communication needs to be increased, but I take issue with your perplexing vendetta against “the high and mighty Coach Sanderson” and your belief that a kid can simultaneously be “passionate” about the game and choose to sit on his ass thinking he's too good to play where he's at.(Thank you for the compliment)

  • Shawn Carman

    Quote boiselax “Kids who have a huge passion for lacrosse aren't playing at BSU because they have pride”I can bet that you will not find an individual who has the passion, the dedication and the pride that I do when it comes to lacrosse. I played for Boise State and am proud to say so! Anyone who says otherwise knows nothing of Boise State Lacrosse or lacrosse in Boise for that matter. I know a few fellow laxers across the Pacific Northwest who would agree with me.

  • Shawn Carman

    I highly doubt that a high school player from Idaho has the skills or the dedication boiselax speaks of to train, bleed, puke and literally kill themselves, in the off season at 4am, 7 days a week with the rest of their team to get a “chance” at playing. Most guys want to show up to games and call that good. In reality we all know to well that High School coaches fill these players head full of fantasy in regards to their future. Sure it helps to hear it, but no one really wants to work that hard and if they truly did, then they would be doing it and playing NCAA D1 lacrosse, but we dont see that happening right now do we?

  • ReliantxRuckus

    “P.S. – You're a t-shirt.” – mBand = best quote of this whole arguement. hahahaha thats freakin hilarious! Can I use that? You might want to consider copywriting that jazz…funny stuff man.

  • Anonymous

    So, whoever you are, your response is, and let me know if I don’t sum this up right:* Kids who have a “huge passion” for the game aren’t playing at BSU because they weren’t recruited.* Coach Sanderson should have let BSU go with no coach at all and possibly fold rather than take the job and do the best he knew how/had time for.* Because Coach Sanderson hasn’t done a stellar job in the past, we’d better dwell on those days rather than focus on the present because the best way to fix a reputation is to dwell on it rather than take notice of the positive changes that have been recently developing. You’re doing a good job helping out with that, so kudos for your efforts there. Truly the very best way to encourage high school kids who want to stay in the area to play at the next level is to perpetuate negativity and lambaste area coaches publicly for transgressions that they’re well on their way to putting behind them.P.S. – You’re a t-shirt.

  • boiselax

    “As for the positive changes, if you had actually been paying any attention you'd know that Sandy has become a good deal more involved with the BSU program over the last 2 years and the level of play and beer league attitude have changed commensurately.”Example? I agree no one is too good for BSU but BSU isn't too good for anyone either. They need all the players they can get. When I was deciding on where to go to college lacrosse was my number one priority. BSU would have been a great school to go to- cheap, good football team, and the best city in the world- but I decided to go elsewhere specifically because I didn't think the program was a good fit for me due to reasons mentioned earlier. Maybe I'm being ignorant and maybe I'm making rash comments but this is my personal perspective and I know a lot of other people who feel the same way. Like I said earlier, a reputation can't be changed overnight.There are some wonderful people involved with BSU lacrosse, including Shawn Carman. He is a great advocate for the team and maybe he can help the coach recruit and get the community involved. If the program has changed (and I really hope it has) then people need to be informed (including me).

  • boiselax

    Wait, what exactly are you saying here? That people aren't really that passionate about lacrosse? You're just supporting my other preconceived notions about BSU lacrosse. I respected your other comments but this one is making me think twice.

  • boiselax

    Well, Mike, this is not Blake and you did not, in fact, sum it up right.

    *Kids who have a huge passion for lacrosse aren’t playing at BSU because they have pride. The most passionate kids are the fiercest competitors and to play for a “beer league” team with a disrespectful coach who doesn’t take his job seriously would contradict the very reason they play, not to mention be a waste of time and money. Maybe I am wrong, but the reason I play lacrosse (and all other sports for that matter) is to compete. If the team isn’t going to take the game seriously and make an effort to compete at their highest capacity, why play?

    *I’m sure BSU would have “folded” if the high and mighty Coach Sanderson hadn’t saved the day so I am grateful for him for that. But again, if you do something, such as accept a coaching position or play for a team, you do it to your very best ability.

    *What exactly are these “positive changes that have been recently developing”? I’m not trying to dwell on the past. I have seen lacrosse played at all different levels from all different areas of the nation and I know the state of Idaho has the potential to compete with the best. They just need to take that extra step.

    *I like what you’re doing at Idaho. Maybe others should follow suit.

  • boiselax

    Also, the original reason I commented was because I do not see what’s so hard about going to a couple high school games or even shooting some of the more talented kids an email. There’s some sick athletes in Boise and a lot of their talent is being wasted. Communicate with them, educate them about your program, and let them know they are wanted. How else do they even find out about the program? The BSU website obviously doesn’t cut it.

  • Shawn Carman

    boiselax apparently has no influence with “Boise” lax because Mike Band has struck the nail on the head as far as Sanderson goes! I have played for him for 5 years now (1 year as a senior in high school). My freshmen year he was not much of a coach, he was just a guy who had recently finished his last year of eligibility and took on the task of coach afterward. So you take a guy that was a band geek in High School, picks up a stick for his first time in college gets numerous awards for his playing ability and then expect him to know how to coach in that 4 year period. Show me a coach who can have no coaching experience and turn a team around in that short period of time…dont think so.

    As my years progressed with BSU, players that Sanderson played with were beginning to graduate from the team, so there was no longer a Buddy Buddy feel amongst players and the coach. My senior year, Brian was a Head Coach. He presented himself as such in every manner. I am honored to have to say I played under him. He is a big reason I am the player I am today!

    When I was president of the club, Brian was paid 1 time in 4 years, that was my fault. He was paid $1000, if you ask me that is a joke. He also did it with a wife at home and a baby on the way. If you look at him this year, he has hosted a few coaching clinics for High School coaches (but boiselax wouldn’t know that), emailed every high school coach in the valley about recruiting players…oh yeah he has done all of this by himself, the last 3 years Brian has not had an assistant coach, co-head coach…nothing.

    As far as the Boise State lax camp goes, Alain Rodrigue runs the show. We have asked over the past 3 years to take over the camp, but because it is such a great revenue for our Campus Rec Dept, they will not hand it back over to us.

    Kids who are claimed to be great players, with passion for the game…actually play the game! The guys who dont play are what we call flakes. They say that it is to hard, seriously all of us can agree that it is hard. Everyone who plays goes to school, plays lacrosse and has a life outside of school and lacrosse, no matter how small or big it is. If you love lacrosse you will look for anywhere to play, if that means playing for “Boise State”. You should want to play…period!

  • Anonymous

    Well, I’m about done with this but I’ll finish off my comments.

    You’re making my point for me. I’ve yet to come across a single human coming out of Idaho’s high schools who is too good to play for BSU. And I’ve been paying attention. There have been some great prospects the last couple of years, but “too good”? No. Anyone who thinks they are that hot in this state is mistaken. Furthermore, I assure you that none of those uber prospects are currently sitting on their asses enrolled at BSU wishing and hoping that they could SOMEHOW play lax. If they were truly passionate about this game they’d play college ball NO MATTER WHAT and if they weren’t satisfied with BSU’s team they’d take it upon themselves to better it. That’s what passion is.

    I’m not saying we shouldn’t be recruiting. We should! What I’ve taken issue with is your stance that there’s a even single human being in the state who’s too good to play for BSU but hasn’t gone elsewhere. I can’t speak for Sandy, but if you were actually to find that kid and show him to me I’d send him home because I don’t want a prima dona like that on my team.

    As for the positive changes, if you had actually been paying any attention you’d know that Sandy has become a good deal more involved with the BSU program over the last 2 years and the level of play and beer league attitude have changed commensurately.

    Again, I agree that communication needs to be increased, but I take issue with your perplexing vendetta against “the high and mighty Coach Sanderson” and your belief that a kid can simultaneously be “passionate” about the game and choose to sit on his ass thinking he’s too good to play where he’s at.

    (Thank you for the compliment)

  • Shawn Carman

    Quote boiselax “Kids who have a huge passion for lacrosse aren’t playing at BSU because they have pride”

    I can bet that you will not find an individual who has the passion, the dedication and the pride that I do when it comes to lacrosse. I played for Boise State and am proud to say so! Anyone who says otherwise knows nothing of Boise State Lacrosse or lacrosse in Boise for that matter. I know a few fellow laxers across the Pacific Northwest who would agree with me.

  • Shawn Carman

    I highly doubt that a high school player from Idaho has the skills or the dedication boiselax speaks of to train, bleed, puke and literally kill themselves, in the off season at 4am, 7 days a week with the rest of their team to get a “chance” at playing. Most guys want to show up to games and call that good. In reality we all know to well that High School coaches fill these players head full of fantasy in regards to their future. Sure it helps to hear it, but no one really wants to work that hard and if they truly did, then they would be doing it and playing NCAA D1 lacrosse, but we dont see that happening right now do we?

  • Anonymous

    “P.S. – You’re a t-shirt.” – mBand = best quote of this whole arguement. hahahaha thats freakin hilarious! Can I use that? You might want to consider copywriting that jazz…funny stuff man.

  • boiselax

    “As for the positive changes, if you had actually been paying any attention you’d know that Sandy has become a good deal more involved with the BSU program over the last 2 years and the level of play and beer league attitude have changed commensurately.”

    Example?

    I agree no one is too good for BSU but BSU isn’t too good for anyone either. They need all the players they can get. When I was deciding on where to go to college lacrosse was my number one priority. BSU would have been a great school to go to- cheap, good football team, and the best city in the world- but I decided to go elsewhere specifically because I didn’t think the program was a good fit for me due to reasons mentioned earlier. Maybe I’m being ignorant and maybe I’m making rash comments but this is my personal perspective and I know a lot of other people who feel the same way. Like I said earlier, a reputation can’t be changed overnight.

    There are some wonderful people involved with BSU lacrosse, including Shawn Carman. He is a great advocate for the team and maybe he can help the coach recruit and get the community involved. If the program has changed (and I really hope it has) then people need to be informed (including me).

  • boiselax

    Wait, what exactly are you saying here? That people aren’t really that passionate about lacrosse? You’re just supporting my other preconceived notions about BSU lacrosse. I respected your other comments but this one is making me think twice.

  • Shawn Carman

    I like the slight change of attitude here boiselax. Boise State use to have a rep of being a beer league team but we have been working hard to change that. We get a lot of heat from people who think they know about the team and because of their thick headedness they continue the tradition of telling others that Boise State is a beer league, when in fact they are not which does not help our cause. Just like your posts before regarding the team and coach from before. They are skewed views that have landed way off of the mark!

  • Shawn Carman

    I am saying…show me a kid out of high school in Boise that is willing to go this far. Tell me his name! All I want is a name. The problem is that most kids do not know how much hard work is needed in order to become such a gifted and recognized player.A big problem in Boise is that there a handful of talented players, talent that stands out because the rest of the players are not as highly skilled. So take that single talented player and throw him into a large group of talented players and chances are that he will not stand out. The player who stands out amongst all the talented players is most likely the one that is truly passionate, gifted and puts the work in. I am not saying that the rest of the players are not talented, they are, but from your argument I get that you are saying Boise, right now has a player/s who are that one guy who can go the full distance. If so, I want to meet this kid and get his autograph real quick before he hits the big time. I look forward to the day, Idaho has more than just that one kid who makes the bigs. I just dont see it happening this year or the next few years. Idaho is not talented enough overall to do such a task yet.

  • ReliantxRuckus

    Who is this ludicrous, “boiselax”? Reveal yourself!!! Put your balls where your mouth is! Hehe. Anyone can hide behind a pseudonym, but if you want to make a change, front run it and we will give you ALL the credit… “Whats your name delicate?!” and so I’m not being hypocritical this is Spencer Gordon…but really i think we are all DYING to know who u are.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOlq4pvpnRM -he is being about as elusive as this chick…

  • boiselax

    I really don't understand what you are saying. I think there are some great players in Boise who make lacrosse their number one passion and would do anything and everything to play at the college level. It would also be nice to see them stay in Boise and make BSU's team better. However, (and this is my whole argument), I don't think a lot of them consider this an option because 1) they are uneducated and uninformed about the program 2) the program has a bad reputation (which apparently is in the process of being fixed) and 3) they don't receive any interest from the BSU coach while they ARE getting looks from other coaches at better schools (MCLA and NCAA both). “Most guys want to show up to games and call that good. In reality we all know to well that High School coaches fill these players head full of fantasy in regards to their future”In response to this, most guys DON'T in fact want to show up to games and call that good. That may be BSU's mentality, I don't know, but it's NOT most people's (especially if they really have a passion as you supposedly do). My graduating class (from BOISE) had 4 guys who could have gone NCAA DII or DIII. I know this because the coaches called us/them. How's that for false dreams and aspirations?BSU has to compete with this. However, BSU has the advantage of a cheap education, a prominent, well-known football team, and a wonderful city so it shouldn't be hard to sell itself. There just needs to be an effort.

  • jumbojack

    His views are his own and only you and maybe Mband think they're skewed. Slow down there thought police

  • Shawn Carman

    I like the slight change of attitude here boiselax. Boise State use to have a rep of being a beer league team but we have been working hard to change that. We get a lot of heat from people who think they know about the team and because of their thick headedness they continue the tradition of telling others that Boise State is a beer league, when in fact they are not which does not help our cause. Just like your posts before regarding the team and coach from before. They are skewed views that have landed way off of the mark!

  • Shawn Carman

    I am saying…show me a kid out of high school in Boise that is willing to go this far. Tell me his name! All I want is a name. The problem is that most kids do not know how much hard work is needed in order to become such a gifted and recognized player.

    A big problem in Boise is that there a handful of talented players, talent that stands out because the rest of the players are not as highly skilled. So take that single talented player and throw him into a large group of talented players and chances are that he will not stand out. The player who stands out amongst all the talented players is most likely the one that is truly passionate, gifted and puts the work in. I am not saying that the rest of the players are not talented, they are, but from your argument I get that you are saying Boise, right now has a player/s who are that one guy who can go the full distance. If so, I want to meet this kid and get his autograph real quick before he hits the big time.

    I look forward to the day, Idaho has more than just that one kid who makes the bigs. I just dont see it happening this year or the next few years. Idaho is not talented enough overall to do such a task yet.

  • ReliantxRuckus

    you sure are talking tough for someone who hides behind his unknown identity.

  • boiselax

    I don't think I'm talking tough at all. I would love to see the BSU program become one of the leaders in the MCLA and these are the things that need to be done in order for that to happen. It doesn't matter who I am, my point has been made.

  • Anonymous

    Who is this ludicrous, “boiselax”? Reveal yourself!!! Put your balls where your mouth is! Hehe. Anyone can hide behind a pseudonym, but if you want to make a change, front run it and we will give you ALL the credit… “Whats your name delicate?!” and so I’m not being hypocritical this is Spencer Gordon…but really i think we are all DYING to know who u are.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOlq4pvpnRM -he is being about as elusive as this chick…

  • boiselax

    I really don’t understand what you are saying. I think there are some great players in Boise who make lacrosse their number one passion and would do anything and everything to play at the college level. It would also be nice to see them stay in Boise and make BSU’s team better. However, (and this is my whole argument), I don’t think a lot of them consider this an option because 1) they are uneducated and uninformed about the program 2) the program has a bad reputation (which apparently is in the process of being fixed) and 3) they don’t receive any interest from the BSU coach while they ARE getting looks from other coaches at better schools (MCLA and NCAA both).

    “Most guys want to show up to games and call that good. In reality we all know to well that High School coaches fill these players head full of fantasy in regards to their future”

    In response to this, most guys DON’T in fact want to show up to games and call that good. That may be BSU’s mentality, I don’t know, but it’s NOT most people’s (especially if they really have a passion as you supposedly do). My graduating class (from BOISE) had 4 guys who could have gone NCAA DII or DIII. I know this because the coaches called us/them. How’s that for false dreams and aspirations?

    BSU has to compete with this. However, BSU has the advantage of a cheap education, a prominent, well-known football team, and a wonderful city so it shouldn’t be hard to sell itself. There just needs to be an effort.

  • Anonymous

    His views are his own and only you and maybe Mband think they’re skewed. Slow down there thought police

  • Anonymous

    you sure are talking tough for someone who hides behind his unknown identity.

  • boiselax

    I don’t think I’m talking tough at all. I would love to see the BSU program become one of the leaders in the MCLA and these are the things that need to be done in order for that to happen. It doesn’t matter who I am, my point has been made.

  • Shawn Carman

    I am almost done repeating myself but this is my attempt.So you are telling me that a recruiter from the DII/DIII school that you and your lax friends are playing at now, decided it would be a good idea to get a plane ticket, rent a car and make a trip to Boise, ID because he heard of a few studs that were playing out there? How do you think he heard of you? Did you parents call him and say, my son is good and he deserves a shot. Or was it your coach? I imagine no one came looking for you, it started with you in some way looking for them. Maybe you are one of the greats from the state of Idaho, we may never know.Boise State has worked very had over the past few years to build a solid organizational foundation, that involves a reputation within our league the PNCLL to be a competitive team, every year for the past 5 years there has always been a battle for 3rd and 4th place in the league among, BSU, UW, OSU, UM and GU with UI closing in now. All of us behind SFU and UO who are two powerhouses in the league that set such high standards for the rest of us.Here is yet another interesting fact – Most kids dont want to play for the team where they grew up at. Most kids want to go to college, somewhere that is away from their parents. So Idaho kids go to Oregon, Cali and Utah…Cali kids go to Idaho, Utah and Oregon. There are a few exceptions but in reality that is what it is. I want to add in one more detail. We are a club sport, and on that note, we must raise all of our own funds. Which means either higher player dues or more fundraising and kids do not want either. They want to play lacrosse for free and dont want to be flipping burgers at home football games as an alternative. Simply put they just want to play lacrosse, so until the funds come rolling in to support just playing lacrosse kids need to put into the team what they take out of it and that is where those amazing players you speak of can make an impact. If they want to be recognized, do it with more than just your stick skills.

  • Shawn Carman

    Wow Spence! I was wondering if that was you with the Texas Logo, good to read you!

  • Shawn Carman

    His views are his own and I respect that from anyone, however I am just telling him as well as everyone else what is true. First hand knowledge is far more valuable than 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand knowledge. I am just attempting to clear up the fog that everyone hears hangs over the Broncos, fog that no longer exists.

  • ReliantxRuckus

    We know “boiselax” parades as the superhero of Idaho lacrosse. He hides his true identity from the masses and evil doers all around Idaho, in an attempt to rid Idaho of BSU lacrosse… We also know he went to BOISE high and acclaimed to be recruited…since he won’t name drop…maybe he will answer some questions. Where do you go? What team do you grace with your presence? Who recruited you? Does your shit smell like roses?:-) Hey Shawn!

  • boiselax

    When did I ever say a DII or DIII coach flew out to Boise to watch our games or even that I play for one of those schools? I said I received phone calls from DII, DIII, and top MCLA schools when I was a senior in high school, along with several of my peers. I didn't ask them how they found out about me but I'm sure it had something to do with WestSideLax.com or from seeing me play at tournaments I went to on travel teams and with my high school team.Point two: expenses. How much do kids pay to play for BSU? 700 bucks or so? Well guess what: Oregon, Arizona State, UC Santa Barbara, Colorado, Michigan, and BYU (top MCLA programs in case you didn't know) pay in excess of $2,000 a year. No more needs to be said about that.Shawn, I'm losing respect for you so I'm going to stop arguing. Maybe you are the one who is too ignorant to realize we do have talent in Idaho, kids are passionate about the sport and willing to do whatever it takes, and kids DO get recruited to go play college ball. We need to step it up and provide them for better in-state options, similar to what Minnesota Diluth did, if we want to continue the growth and if we want BSU to ever be competitive.

  • boiselax

    And since you have the first had experience of never getting recruited in high school or wanting to put in the extra time outside of “just showing up for games” neither have any other players from Idaho.

  • Shawn Carman

    I am almost done repeating myself but this is my attempt.

    So you are telling me that a recruiter from the DII/DIII school that you and your lax friends are playing at now, decided it would be a good idea to get a plane ticket, rent a car and make a trip to Boise, ID because he heard of a few studs that were playing out there? How do you think he heard of you? Did you parents call him and say, my son is good and he deserves a shot. Or was it your coach? I imagine no one came looking for you, it started with you in some way looking for them. Maybe you are one of the greats from the state of Idaho, we may never know.

    Boise State has worked very had over the past few years to build a solid organizational foundation, that involves a reputation within our league the PNCLL to be a competitive team, every year for the past 5 years there has always been a battle for 3rd and 4th place in the league among, BSU, UW, OSU, UM and GU with UI closing in now. All of us behind SFU and UO who are two powerhouses in the league that set such high standards for the rest of us.

    Here is yet another interesting fact – Most kids dont want to play for the team where they grew up at. Most kids want to go to college, somewhere that is away from their parents. So Idaho kids go to Oregon, Cali and Utah…Cali kids go to Idaho, Utah and Oregon. There are a few exceptions but in reality that is what it is.

    I want to add in one more detail. We are a club sport, and on that note, we must raise all of our own funds. Which means either higher player dues or more fundraising and kids do not want either. They want to play lacrosse for free and dont want to be flipping burgers at home football games as an alternative. Simply put they just want to play lacrosse, so until the funds come rolling in to support just playing lacrosse kids need to put into the team what they take out of it and that is where those amazing players you speak of can make an impact. If they want to be recognized, do it with more than just your stick skills.

  • Shawn Carman

    Wow Spence! I was wondering if that was you with the Texas Logo, good to read you!

  • Shawn Carman

    His views are his own and I respect that from anyone, however I am just telling him as well as everyone else what is true. First hand knowledge is far more valuable than 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand knowledge. I am just attempting to clear up the fog that everyone hears hangs over the Broncos, fog that no longer exists.

  • Shawn Carman

    You have no idea who you are talking to! Maybe I wasnt recruited out of High School, I was however recruited by SFU after my Freshman year of college but I decided not to go because I wanted to have an affect on lacrosse in Boise, where I could help to build up the rep of Boise State and focus on the kids at the High School and Youth Programs but I dont want to flaunt that. And if you want to talk about extra time…I have spent more time practicing, training, learning than you will ever imagine, all of this in addition to running the lacrosse program for 3 years. I have spent countless nights on my computer organizing travel and hotel arrangements for 20+ students athletes to travel and compete at one of the highest levels of lacrosse around, so you cant tell me that I didnt work hard.Oh by the way, I finished my senior season playing for the Broncos where I was nominated my all coaches in the league…UW, GU, WSU, UI, UM, PSU, UO, OSU as a 1st All Conference Player as well as PNCLL Defensive Player of the year (as a GOALIE). Tell me who you are so I can kiss your @$$

  • Anonymous

    We know “boiselax” parades as the superhero of Idaho lacrosse. He hides his true identity from the masses and evil doers all around Idaho, in an attempt to rid Idaho of BSU lacrosse… We also know he went to BOISE high and acclaimed to be recruited…since he won’t name drop…maybe he will answer some questions. Where do you go? What team do you grace with your presence? Who recruited you? Does your shit smell like roses?

    :-) Hey Shawn!

  • Shawn Carman

    BSU pays $1000 in player dues. Its hard for players to come up with money like that to play, not everyone's parents can arrange for a NCAA coach to recruit them. Did you know that SFU pays $4000 in player dues, did you know Michigan has a $400K Budget for their lacrosse team. Money makes everything easier…when you have it. If every team had that kind of loot, then this discussion wouldnt be happening because Boise State could afford to pay you to stop talking.I did not disagree with you that there is talent in Idaho, kids do get recruited. I am saying that we (Idaho) are still way behind the curve compared to what I would consider talent.

  • boiselax

    When did I ever say a DII or DIII coach flew out to Boise to watch our games or even that I play for one of those schools? I said I received phone calls from DII, DIII, and top MCLA schools when I was a senior in high school, along with several of my peers. I didn’t ask them how they found out about me but I’m sure it had something to do with WestSideLax.com or from seeing me play at tournaments I went to on travel teams and with my high school team.

    Point two: expenses. How much do kids pay to play for BSU? 700 bucks or so? Well guess what: Oregon, Arizona State, UC Santa Barbara, Colorado, Michigan, and BYU (top MCLA programs in case you didn’t know) pay in excess of $2,000 a year. No more needs to be said about that.

    Shawn, I’m losing respect for you so I’m going to stop arguing. Maybe you are the one who is too ignorant to realize we do have talent in Idaho, kids are passionate about the sport and willing to do whatever it takes, and kids DO get recruited to go play college ball. We need to step it up and provide them for better in-state options, similar to what Minnesota Diluth did, if we want to continue the growth and if we want BSU to ever be competitive.

  • boiselax

    And since you have the first had experience of never getting recruited in high school or wanting to put in the extra time outside of “just showing up for games” neither have any other players from Idaho.

  • Shawn Carman

    You have no idea who you are talking to! Maybe I wasnt recruited out of High School, I was however recruited by SFU after my Freshman year of college but I decided not to go because I wanted to have an affect on lacrosse in Boise, where I could help to build up the rep of Boise State and focus on the kids at the High School and Youth Programs but I dont want to flaunt that. And if you want to talk about extra time…I have spent more time practicing, training, learning than you will ever imagine, all of this in addition to running the lacrosse program for 3 years. I have spent countless nights on my computer organizing travel and hotel arrangements for 20+ students athletes to travel and compete at one of the highest levels of lacrosse around, so you cant tell me that I didnt work hard.

    Oh by the way, I finished my senior season playing for the Broncos where I was nominated my all coaches in the league…UW, GU, WSU, UI, UM, PSU, UO, OSU as a 1st All Conference Player as well as PNCLL Defensive Player of the year (as a GOALIE).

    Tell me who you are so I can kiss your @$$

  • Shawn Carman

    BSU pays $1000 in player dues. Its hard for players to come up with money like that to play, not everyone’s parents can arrange for a NCAA coach to recruit them. Did you know that SFU pays $4000 in player dues, did you know Michigan has a $400K Budget for their lacrosse team. Money makes everything easier…when you have it. If every team had that kind of loot, then this discussion wouldnt be happening because Boise State could afford to pay you to stop talking.

    I did not disagree with you that there is talent in Idaho, kids do get recruited. I am saying that we (Idaho) are still way behind the curve compared to what I would consider talent.

  • Jazzy12

    Jazzy Jeff would rep those cleats if he didn't have to come up with the buck forty for them

  • KKaup

    The Men's Lacrosse Team has tried to attain control of that camp actually. Alain Rodrigue has a death grip on it, and the Campus Rec uses it as a way gain funds over the summer. The school give up funds for a club sport? Not likely.

  • Anonymous

    Jazzy Jeff would rep those cleats if he didn’t have to come up with the buck forty for them

  • Anonymous

    The Men’s Lacrosse Team has tried to attain control of that camp actually. Alain Rodrigue has a death grip on it, and the Campus Rec uses it as a way gain funds over the summer. The school give up funds for a club sport? Not likely.

  • Rusty_Papagiorgio

    I know I'm a couple of weeks late to this party, but thought I would get my two cents in.First, not sure how my name came in to this, but to make things easier for everyone, Rusty = Blake. Both because of my game, and because I like the movie Vegas Vacation.Second, I agree with Mike that Boise State is certainly on the rise. A team with “no commitment”, as boiselax puts it, would not have been able to pull out a victory over Montana like the Broncos did last spring.That said, I don't think the key to Boise State's future success lies with an attitude shift in high school coaches. The faceless boiselax is right about one thing, the recruiting of BSU is very slim. In the four years that I have been at BK I have received one e-mail regarding any interest in any of my players from the Boise State staff. This e-mail was regarding a number of my seniors, and was sent during their senior season. By that time, most of my guys had already solidified their college plans. I was pleased to see BSU initiate contact, but it was quite a bit late.In my opinion though, this isn't Boise State's primary problem. We have two types of potential college players in the Treasure Valley Lacrosse League. The first are guys like Cody Hart, Luke Kannor, Deke Jackson, Brian McDonagh, and more recently Alex Williams and Joe Eck. Everyone knows they have a chance to play at the NCAA level. They are likely going to choose the school they attend based on the chance to play NCAA lacrosse, and BSU isn't going to snag any of them. I realize Williams chose Chapman, but they're one of the closest things you'll get in the MCLA to an NCAA program. The second is the good player who isn't interested in making lacrosse their top priority in college, or don't quite have the skills to make NCAA. These are the kids that Boise State has the best shot at, but unfortunately, they often choose their college based on factors outside of BSU's control. I'll throw myself in to the good but didn't have NCAA skills category, and use my situation as an example. I chose the University of Utah for the following reasons: 1. A girl (turned out to be a good bet, as she's now my wife), 2. Skiing (7 resorts within an hour, none of which I ended up ever having time for), 3. Big city (wanted to experience a bigger area). Were those all good reasons? No, but I was 17, and a lot of 17-year-old kids think in a similar fashion. Furthermore, while none of those reasons are a knock against Boise State, Boise State didn't have much of a chance of overcoming them.Don't place the blame on high school coaches. I will go to bat for just about any coach in this league and say that they're not actively working against the Broncos. If BSU wants a chance at area recruits they need to start getting themselves to high school practices and making their pitch. Their outreach has been minimal. In 2002 I was getting at least one e-mail or phone call a week from Mason Goodhand, and that certainly helped solidify my interest in the Utes. That kind of attention can be very influential on a junior in high school.

  • Anonymous

    I know I’m a couple of weeks late to this party, but thought I would get my two cents in.

    First, not sure how my name came in to this, but to make things easier for everyone, Rusty = Blake. Both because of my game, and because I like the movie Vegas Vacation.

    Second, I agree with Mike that Boise State is certainly on the rise. A team with “no commitment”, as boiselax puts it, would not have been able to pull out a victory over Montana like the Broncos did last spring.

    That said, I don’t think the key to Boise State’s future success lies with an attitude shift in high school coaches. The faceless boiselax is right about one thing, the recruiting of BSU is very slim. In the four years that I have been at BK I have received one e-mail regarding any interest in any of my players from the Boise State staff. This e-mail was regarding a number of my seniors, and was sent during their senior season. By that time, most of my guys had already solidified their college plans. I was pleased to see BSU initiate contact, but it was quite a bit late.

    In my opinion though, this isn’t Boise State’s primary problem. We have two types of potential college players in the Treasure Valley Lacrosse League. The first are guys like Cody Hart, Luke Kannor, Deke Jackson, Brian McDonagh, and more recently Alex Williams and Joe Eck. Everyone knows they have a chance to play at the NCAA level. They are likely going to choose the school they attend based on the chance to play NCAA lacrosse, and BSU isn’t going to snag any of them. I realize Williams chose Chapman, but they’re one of the closest things you’ll get in the MCLA to an NCAA program.

    The second is the good player who isn’t interested in making lacrosse their top priority in college, or don’t quite have the skills to make NCAA. These are the kids that Boise State has the best shot at, but unfortunately, they often choose their college based on factors outside of BSU’s control. I’ll throw myself in to the good but didn’t have NCAA skills category, and use my situation as an example. I chose the University of Utah for the following reasons: 1. A girl (turned out to be a good bet, as she’s now my wife), 2. Skiing (7 resorts within an hour, none of which I ended up ever having time for), 3. Big city (wanted to experience a bigger area). Were those all good reasons? No, but I was 17, and a lot of 17-year-old kids think in a similar fashion. Furthermore, while none of those reasons are a knock against Boise State, Boise State didn’t have much of a chance of overcoming them.

    Don’t place the blame on high school coaches. I will go to bat for just about any coach in this league and say that they’re not actively working against the Broncos. If BSU wants a chance at area recruits they need to start getting themselves to high school practices and making their pitch. Their outreach has been minimal. In 2002 I was getting at least one e-mail or phone call a week from Mason Goodhand, and that certainly helped solidify my interest in the Utes. That kind of attention can be very influential on a junior in high school.

  • mBand

    Hi Blake. Didn't really mean to place the blame on high school coaches and I'm sorry if it came off that way. What I was attempting to do was describe the disconnect between the high school and college levels in Idaho, which I think we can both agree exists.I don't think anyone is working against the Broncos. I just think that just as local universities need to step up their recruiting, local high schools should step up their encouragement and education of the collegiate game. Like I said, we need a “nexus of communication.” I don't think we disagree, we're just saying the same thing in different ways.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Blake. Didn’t really mean to place the blame on high school coaches and I’m sorry if it came off that way. What I was attempting to do was describe the disconnect between the high school and college levels in Idaho, which I think we can both agree exists.
    I don’t think anyone is working against the Broncos. I just think that just as local universities need to step up their recruiting, local high schools should step up their encouragement and education of the collegiate game. Like I said, we need a “nexus of communication.” I don’t think we disagree, we’re just saying the same thing in different ways.

  • Rusty_Papagiorgio

    I know I'm a couple of weeks late to this party, but thought I would get my two cents in.First, not sure how my name came in to this, but to make things easier for everyone, Rusty = Blake. Both because of my game, and because I like the movie Vegas Vacation.Second, I agree with Mike that Boise State is certainly on the rise. A team with “no commitment”, as boiselax puts it, would not have been able to pull out a victory over Montana like the Broncos did last spring.That said, I don't think the key to Boise State's future success lies with an attitude shift in high school coaches. The faceless boiselax is right about one thing, the recruiting of BSU is very slim. In the four years that I have been at BK I have received one e-mail regarding any interest in any of my players from the Boise State staff. This e-mail was regarding a number of my seniors, and was sent during their senior season. By that time, most of my guys had already solidified their college plans. I was pleased to see BSU initiate contact, but it was quite a bit late.In my opinion though, this isn't Boise State's primary problem. We have two types of potential college players in the Treasure Valley Lacrosse League. The first are guys like Cody Hart, Luke Kannor, Deke Jackson, Brian McDonagh, and more recently Alex Williams and Joe Eck. Everyone knows they have a chance to play at the NCAA level. They are likely going to choose the school they attend based on the chance to play NCAA lacrosse, and BSU isn't going to snag any of them. I realize Williams chose Chapman, but they're one of the closest things you'll get in the MCLA to an NCAA program. The second is the good player who isn't interested in making lacrosse their top priority in college, or don't quite have the skills to make NCAA. These are the kids that Boise State has the best shot at, but unfortunately, they often choose their college based on factors outside of BSU's control. I'll throw myself in to the good but didn't have NCAA skills category, and use my situation as an example. I chose the University of Utah for the following reasons: 1. A girl (turned out to be a good bet, as she's now my wife), 2. Skiing (7 resorts within an hour, none of which I ended up ever having time for), 3. Big city (wanted to experience a bigger area). Were those all good reasons? No, but I was 17, and a lot of 17-year-old kids think in a similar fashion. Furthermore, while none of those reasons are a knock against Boise State, Boise State didn't have much of a chance of overcoming them.Don't place the blame on high school coaches. I will go to bat for just about any coach in this league and say that they're not actively working against the Broncos. If BSU wants a chance at area recruits they need to start getting themselves to high school practices and making their pitch. Their outreach has been minimal. In 2002 I was getting at least one e-mail or phone call a week from Mason Goodhand, and that certainly helped solidify my interest in the Utes. That kind of attention can be very influential on a junior in high school.

  • mBand

    Hi Blake. Didn't really mean to place the blame on high school coaches and I'm sorry if it came off that way. What I was attempting to do was describe the disconnect between the high school and college levels in Idaho, which I think we can both agree exists.I don't think anyone is working against the Broncos. I just think that just as local universities need to step up their recruiting, local high schools should step up their encouragement and education of the collegiate game. Like I said, we need a “nexus of communication.” I don't think we disagree, we're just saying the same thing in different ways.

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