Daily Head Shot Video

Illegal or legal? Take a gander at our latest high hit video.

We received a video from a high school game in Minnesota with an accompanying story. We’re going to display the first part of the story, then the film, then the second part of the story to see if it changes your mind on whether or not this was a legal hit. Social experiment of sorts. Begin.

I am a follower up here in the great state of MN and coach at St. Cloud Tech High School.  We are a part of the MSHSL and I remember previous posts where you talk about how refs are emphasizing hits above the shoulder to make the game safer.  Well here is a perfect example of what you guys are talking about.  Happened last night in a game we had against Roseville, MN where our LSM caught a pass and then was hit by an opposing pole.

Untitled from Tyler Hein on Vimeo.

The first time I watched this video I thought it was clean. When I slow it down and look frame by frame it appears to be helmet to helmet although not intentional. There’s a difference between leading with your head and incidental contact. This video immediately remains me of a hit from a Salisbury game a few years back. It sounds really bad. It looks really bad. But that doesn’t mean it is a penalty.

Leading with the shoulder or the head?

Take a look at the hit from the Minnesota game frame by frame.

Especially here, the helmet appears in the foreground of the still, which suggests that it is not making direct contact with the ball carrier’s helmet.

 

He keeps his hands in towards his body during the hit and doesn’t extend his arms. His helmet, while it begins lower than the opposition’s helmet, doesn’t move which suggests to me he didn’t use his helmet as a weapon. Looks a legal hit to me. Now, if I had seen the play happen in real time, considering the new rules in place, considering that the player looks unconscious post hit, I would have thrown a flag in the heat of the moment.

This is where things get very interesting for officials. I don’t believe this is a penalty. Someone else might call it a penalty. Until every official in the country is shown what constitutes a head shot worthy of a 1, 2, or 3 minute penalty every hit will be called differently.

Do you think this is an illegal hit?

Here’s the second part of the email.

The refs threw no flags and my player ended up having to go to the ER.  He has a fractured jaw, 8 stitches in his mouth, 2 broken teeth, and a concussion.  When asked, the refs said that they did not see the hit even though there were 2 within 10 yards of the play staring at the play.

Now that you know that, does the hit suddenly become a penalty in your eyes? Do you understand why I kept that information from you? Does the ref know a player’s injuries immediately and is therefore in a position to make a call based on a reaction to a particular player’s injuries from a particular hit?

Regardless of injury, and I wish that young man a speedy recovery, I don’t believe this is a penalty. You have a situation where a bigger kid is coming into physical contact with a smaller athlete who is in a vulnerable position because of the way he’s trying to make an over the shoulder catch and disaster strikes. As they say in hockey, that’s just a hockey play. This is just a lacrosse play. Lacrosse is a dangerous sport. That’s part of the thrill.

What say you?

Thanks to Tyler Hein for emailing us this video. Send your contributions to [email protected]

Imagery

Fantastic photo captured by Cocks Lax Report.

South Carolina is set to take on Virginia Tech this Friday in the first round of the SELC tournament. Good luck to the Gamecocks.

Notes

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Salisbury Brunswick video highlights courtesy of Lax.com

Rough afternoon for the Penguins

Worse afternoon for Mike Green

Worse afternoon for the Rangers

  • Anonymous

    small side note niskayuna beat duxbury today 7-6

  • Anonymous

    Legal hit. Exactly like you said, it was a lacrosse hit. While not quite a full on hospital pass, the kid should have turned his head.

  • http://twitter.com/blakeob Blake

    Legal – he didn’t lead with his head and, as you said, didn’t extend his arms up. The kid was not out to injure the other kid. It’s unfortunate that he was injured, and I hope he makes a quick recovery, but it’s part of the risk of playing the game. I think to some extent we’ve forgotten that this is a physical sport, and kids are going to get hurt even when the rules are followed.

    One thing that I think should be receiving more focus from high school officials is how far away kids are being lined up from. In our game yesterday a kid from the opposing team lined our kid up from 20 yards at a full sprint. The hit itself was legal, but it was made unsafe by the amount of inertia the kid had. I don’t even blame that player, as I haven’t seen a ref make that call more than twice in my 7 years of coaching, so I’m sure he hasn’t had any reason to think what he was doing was illegal.

  • http://profiles.google.com/billsjunkmailbox Bill Nonayobusiness

    Actually, I disagree. The video you have is low res off of HD ( I took the video). I you look a the second frame you have, you will see the white players STICK hits the black players helmet. Still a head shot. May not have been intentional, and his hands were lower, however, the injuries sustained were from the white players stick riding up under the helmet. Hits aren’t solely based on hand position…an inadvertent stick to the head while defending is still a slash (just an example this is obviously not a slash). In this case I’m going to say it’s a shot to the head. Maybe not intentional but the stick still went under the helmet. Also, if you notice both of the white players feet leave the ground and the player is in a forward an upward motion so the hit to the chest quickly transferred to the head as the black player fell backwards. At a minimum this is necessary roughness.

  • http://profiles.google.com/billsjunkmailbox Bill Nonayobusiness

    You should be getting a couple of jpg’s…also not the white player DID, in fact, extend his arms, crosse check (you can see his gloves so they couldn’t be by his body…..)

  • Guest

    Completely off topic, but was he wearing a mouth guard at all? Or was it one of the crappy thin rubber ones? I’m just curious because that is an impressive amount of jaw damage. Best of luck to him in recovery.

    As for the hit, I may have given necessary roughness because it’s high school, which puts great emphasis on player safety. At a higher level, completely clean.

  • Anonymous

    I was the asst. coach you can hear yelling at the MN game. Commenting on one of the guys asking about his mouth guard, it was a nicer mouthguard but it’s one of those that form to the bottom row of teeth not top. I am assuming that it either fell out while getting hit or the amount of pressure pushed the mouth guard up to the roof of his mouth causing so much damage to the front teeth (and the fracture which was right below his nose) The other thing Hein didn’t say was when I walked out to him his helmet was more than halfway off (I know I am biest but how does that happen if no contact to the head) and his mouthguard was on the ground but it was full of blood and marks from him clenching during the hit.

  • Anonymous

    After looking at it again a few times his head does appear to be off to the side but I agree with Bill the right hand of the players looks to get under his helmet and he does extend his arms.

  • http://profiles.google.com/billsjunkmailbox Bill Nonayobusiness

    Here are the two still frames.